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Posted by simonxxx
 - January 03, 2025, 22:28:09
I have purchased this laptop, seems like it is delivering on its promise. No mention about 14 gen. intel issues with overvolting and breakig their cpus. My later purchase will hopefully shed me from the issues with CPU. Device is LOUD, but under normal workload its bearable. Dont expect silence even when idle.(There is headroom when undervolted/optimised - but to no avail with current and only bios). Very snappy compared to for example my own build (12400f, ddr5, but with a slow ssd). Using Fedora linux, gpu and drivers seem to work for my main app - blender. Cpu single core perf could be higher for these powerful gpus. GPU is eating CPU alive, 4080 can be squeezed to max 5890 score on blender benchmark(optix) which is on par with 4070, 4070 s on desktop. Thats quite impressive.
Posted by RobertJasiek
 - December 09, 2024, 19:40:26
I use the Go engine offline only and in its permanent pondering almost only for analysis aka next move candidates' evaluations based on 100,000 ~ 50,000,000 playouts for each of the top two candidate moves. Therefore the high load. Online in ordinary games or in real world tournaments I as a human play against humans.

(I know that desktops are rather immobile and have not suggested that notebooks were not an option.)
Posted by Toortle
 - December 09, 2024, 17:54:43
Quote from: RobertJasiek on December 09, 2024, 17:14:08Not common sense, as it is possible to use computers for 3D gaming with moderate noise or moderate settings to achieve it. Not everybody values sound as highly as display contents.
Of course it's possible, but why would you? It's also possible to play with a touchpad only instead of a mouse & keyboard, again - why would you? Even a cheapest possible in-ear headphones will provide significantly better acoustical experience in games than just laptop speakers.

Quote from: RobertJasiek on December 09, 2024, 17:14:08As a non-3D gamer (game: Go, Chess should be similar because the neural nets have the same ancestor), the GPU runs typically at 92%, can be 80 - 100%, and the CPU typically 16 - 17% but can be up to 100%. I.e., loads are comparable to GPU-heavy 3D games. (So your expectation is wrong.)
Funny stuff, as I actively play chess on lichess.org, which is why is specifically mentioned chess. After more than 17,000 played games of bullet 1+0 I'm sitting at 2702 ELO as of this moment (2412 in 3+0 blitz, far fewer games because it's easy to cheat in them by using scripts and engines), and I'm yet to see those numbers as you have. In fact my CPU is 1-5% at most, GPU around 0%. But of course if you use engine for impractical offline usage (or to cheat in online matches) then yeah, I can understand those wild numbers.

Quote from: RobertJasiek on December 09, 2024, 17:14:08Therefore, it all depends on how noisy or relatively silent a computer is built. Mine (desktop) is about 37dB because I have emphasised low noise. But a careless build would generate >60dB. A passively cooled 400W-desktop could be 0dB with massive heatsinks for an additional €800 ~ €2000 expense.
How much work or gaming can you make after you unplug your desktop from the wall or UPS? Good luck also in carrying it around between locations, say Mon-Fri at your place in a large-ish city, Sat-Sun at some nice little cabin that you own in woods where you want to chill and enjoy.
Posted by RobertJasiek
 - December 09, 2024, 17:14:08
Not common sense, as it is possible to use computers for 3D gaming with moderate noise or moderate settings to achieve it. Not everybody values sound as highly as display contents.

As a non-3D gamer (game: Go, Chess should be similar because the neural nets have the same ancestor), the GPU runs typically at 92%, can be 80 - 100%, and the CPU typically 16 - 17% but can be up to 100%. I.e., loads are comparable to GPU-heavy 3D games. (So your expectation is wrong.) Therefore, it all depends on how noisy or relatively silent a computer is built. Mine (desktop) is about 37dB because I have emphasised low noise. But a careless build would generate >60dB. A passively cooled 400W-desktop could be 0dB with massive heatsinks for an additional €800 ~ €2000 expense.
Posted by Toortle
 - December 09, 2024, 16:35:15
Quote from: RobertJasiek on December 09, 2024, 16:25:45
Quote from: Hans12154 on December 09, 2024, 15:10:50most gamers, laptop or desktop, uses headphones.

Evidence or source? (Do you mean "3D gamers" when you say "gamers"?)
Common sense as no laptop speakers can provide better sound immersion than headphones. And "non-3D gamers" are not pushing laptop to high loads in their games to make significant fan noise. Is chess really making fans ramp up?
Posted by RobertJasiek
 - December 09, 2024, 16:25:45
Quote from: Hans12154 on December 09, 2024, 15:10:50most gamers, laptop or desktop, uses headphones.

Evidence or source? (Do you mean "3D gamers" when you say "gamers"?)
Posted by Hans12154
 - December 09, 2024, 15:16:13
Quote from: LL on February 03, 2024, 23:49:19
Quoteall options at the moment include the same Core i9-14900HX CPU

Intel seems to have so sort of strange power over manufacturers since we see much great flexibility with Nvidia cards.

It is clear the system is too powerful for the chassis, it is inacceptable the noise it makes in idle and balanced mode.

Looking at the numbers from game benchmarks you can clearly see that this beats most laptops with similar specs, meaning the cooling is actually pretty good. Buying a gaming laptop I would rather have some noise while idling then having it throttle the performance as a lot of gaming laptops do.
Posted by Hans12154
 - December 09, 2024, 15:10:50
Quote from: NikoB on February 04, 2024, 14:27:56
QuoteTitan performance without the Titan price
Hahaha! Compare RAM performance here and in the next review of Titan! Here the same RAM works 40% (literally) faster! Shame on the developers of MSI's Titan model - they all need to do sepukku!

Quotelarge and heavy even for its size category
))))))) Author, this is just funny. Compare this runt to my Dell G5 5587 15.6" - 2.83 kg and almost 17" body dimensions. This is a truly quiet machine!

QuoteHDMI 2.1 (8K @ 60Hz / 4K @ 120Hz)
The author is lying again. HDMI 2.1 does not support 8k@60fps monitor quality in lossless mode. Only with loss of information during DSC lossy compression. This must be specified.

4k is not 120Hz, but 165Hz, if it is real 2.1 with FRL6. But the author didn't even check this. What kind of model review is this if such "little things" are not checked?

Again, fake 240Hz - really 100-110Hz at most.

Slow RJ45 - 5-10Gbps required to access home NAS.

The author himself wrote about the completely damaged idiotic numpad on the keyboard - this completely puts an end to this laptop as a working one.

However, with the terrible noise level that it has, it's unlikely that anyone will want to work behind it.

Well, games are for those not faint of heart to hellish noise... ;)

PS, is it possible to build a desktop with 4080 for this money? It will be clearly quieter and 1.5 times faster even on the GPU and many times more convenient to upgrade in parts...

To be wrong and to be lying is not the same, you will probably learn this with age.
Something else you will learn is that not everyone have the same exact same needs as yourself.

It is nice to be able to bring your powerful laptop on vacation, to your cabin and so on.
Everyone knows that a gaming laptop makes noise and most gamers, laptop or desktop, uses headphones.

It does not seem like you understand what 240hz means, it has nothing to do with performance as you seem to think.
It most certaintly have a 240hz screen.
Posted by Inky
 - September 11, 2024, 02:03:49
I own the 13980HX 144hz iteration, it identical in every way barring CPU and panel. I upgraded the RAM to 64GB 5600Mhz and a WD Black 4TB 7000mb secondary M.2 for footage. I purchased to create on-the-fly content in the back of my Land Rover Discovery 4 (LR4). To those claiming its too heavy and not fit for purpose, you're simply wrong (and ignorantly guessing poorly). And those stating you'd build a workstation for the same money - mine cost £1595 from Curry's - the extra drive and ram raised the price to £1850 (there was multiple 0% deals on at the time), you'll not build a new workstation or find anything like it for the same money. It is more than an able, rapid monster. I use many shortcuts and the num-pad often, without miskeying or any other issues. I have zero problems with the device barring one potential, when recording voice over, I don't get too close to the laptop, just in case, as it isn't uber quiet even when performing a simple task like voice over capture, but it isn't insanely loud either. I like gaming too and this rig will do it all...it'll manages much of what my 3970x, RTX 3090, 128GB workstation can muster, especially with projects under 50mins as the laptop doesn't posses the storage. And scrubbing and playback is often smoother than my workstation, however my workstation does manage projects over 2hrs long, but the fact is, the laptop handles most projects with the greatest of ease.. If you're short of funds and/or need a gaming and/or portable workstation then this laptop is a multi-solution. For the money youll not find a more capable laptop.
Posted by Drek4
 - March 15, 2024, 15:17:32
Quote from: NikoB on February 04, 2024, 14:27:56
QuoteTitan performance without the Titan price
Hahaha! Compare RAM performance here and in the next review of Titan! Here the same RAM works 40% (literally) faster! Shame on the developers of MSI's Titan model - they all need to do sepukku!
QuoteKeep in mind that the TITAN has 128GB installed not 32GB, more RAM you have lower speeds you get, compare them both with 32GB, then you can draw your conclusion.
Posted by NikoB
 - February 04, 2024, 14:27:56
QuoteTitan performance without the Titan price
Hahaha! Compare RAM performance here and in the next review of Titan! Here the same RAM works 40% (literally) faster! Shame on the developers of MSI's Titan model - they all need to do sepukku!

Quotelarge and heavy even for its size category
))))))) Author, this is just funny. Compare this runt to my Dell G5 5587 15.6" - 2.83 kg and almost 17" body dimensions. This is a truly quiet machine!

QuoteHDMI 2.1 (8K @ 60Hz / 4K @ 120Hz)
The author is lying again. HDMI 2.1 does not support 8k@60fps monitor quality in lossless mode. Only with loss of information during DSC lossy compression. This must be specified.

4k is not 120Hz, but 165Hz, if it is real 2.1 with FRL6. But the author didn't even check this. What kind of model review is this if such "little things" are not checked?

Again, fake 240Hz - really 100-110Hz at most.

Slow RJ45 - 5-10Gbps required to access home NAS.

The author himself wrote about the completely damaged idiotic numpad on the keyboard - this completely puts an end to this laptop as a working one.

However, with the terrible noise level that it has, it's unlikely that anyone will want to work behind it.

Well, games are for those not faint of heart to hellish noise... ;)

PS, is it possible to build a desktop with 4080 for this money? It will be clearly quieter and 1.5 times faster even on the GPU and many times more convenient to upgrade in parts...
Posted by LL
 - February 03, 2024, 23:49:19
Quoteall options at the moment include the same Core i9-14900HX CPU

Intel seems to have so sort of strange power over manufacturers since we see much great flexibility with Nvidia cards.

It is clear the system is too powerful for the chassis, it is inacceptable the noise it makes in idle and balanced mode.
Posted by Redaktion
 - February 03, 2024, 22:33:33
Thin-and-light gaming laptops are nice and all, but they often shave off some GPU performance in order to reach a certain size and weight. The MSI Vector 16 HX is unabashedly big in order to preserve and improve graphics performance as much as possible.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-Vector-16-HX-laptop-review-Titan-performance-without-the-Titan-price.797217.0.html