@Nice: I agree that ray tracing on mobile is a niche case. However, despite not being directly comparable, you also need to consider the fact that the S24U is a bigger phone with substantially larger cooling solution than the one placed in S24+. So one would think that it should win. We don't really have a Exynos 2400 in a S24U chassis, so we can't really make direct comparisons.

It seems now according to more recent findings that the Exynos 2400 is closer to a SD 8 gen 2 or slightly better in terms of efficiency. Regardless it is still a massive leap over any previous gen Exynos SoC.

Also the point about Solar Bay Ray Tracing test wasn't to illustrate how RDNA does much better at RT. We knew this years ago but in terms of what happens if you put a heavy load on a SoC (which RT is), how stable it is / how much does it throttle?

Do we have any hard numbers yet, for Wildlife Extreme? I find it hard to believe any SoC would lose in stability to the SD8G3 considering the dismal % numbers it's been posting. I'm sure overall despite massive throttling, the SD8G3 still has the edge simply because it's initial score before running into thermal limitations is so much higher. But my point is this: Both SoC's after running into thermal limits are much closer to each other than you think.

SD8G3 is an amazing SoC which pushes far high numbers than any other previous one, if you are able to push 20w+ on your phone continuously. Otherwise, it's really not that much faster than anything before.

Qualcomm wanted to beat Apple in benchmarks so hard they created a chip that is not really compatible with phone thermal solutions.

Quote from: yet another sauce on January 27, 2024, 08:27:03Mochamad Farido Fanani on twitter shows 48% stability on S24U vs 65% on s24+ in 3dmark stress test solar bay here:
twitter(dot)com/faridofanani96/status/1747966258317013066/photo/1

This is out of context and made for hype, Solar Bay test is using raytracing, which is the only thing Exynos does better. In Wildlife Extreme and any other test Snapdragon wins.

NL Tech on youtube has done some longer term gaming tests showing fps and throttling, so you can kind of extrapolate from his numbers.

Mochamad Farido Fanani on twitter shows 48% stability on S24U vs 65% on s24+ in 3dmark stress test solar bay here:
twitter(dot)com/faridofanani96/status/1747966258317013066/photo/1

Also, another interesting point of reference is a comparison done Golden Retriever:
twitter(dot)com/Golden_Reviewer/status/1750213147582193908
twitter(dot)com/Golden_Reviewer/status/1750551301279334710

Still waiting for Geekerwan's video to drop and show the numbers as he does the best in-depth testing by far compared to anyone else out there for this kind of stuff.

Quote from: Mr Majestyk on January 19, 2024, 03:50:36Then you will be pleased to know Exynos 2400 handles throttling much better than SD and has better heat dispersion properties. SD loses 52% of performance due to heat induced throttling, compared to 2400's 33% loss. This SD 8 Gen 3 is shaping up as another disaster like SD815 IIRC. Running the cores at stupidly high clockspeeds is definition of insanity in such small and thin devices

Where do you get this information from? GSMarena has no in-depth review yet, thus no throttling information there...

Quote from: digitalmesh on January 19, 2024, 10:49:30any source for this throthle info you can link to ? :)

Under the 'performance' section of every phone review on gsmarena, shows the throttling info.

Quote from: Mr Majestyk on January 19, 2024, 03:50:36

Quote from: Onewhoknow on January 18, 2024, 18:59:37What I care, when compare to SD 8g3 is the heat, battery, stability and drivers!

At this level, performance is secondary and much less important

Then you will be pleased to know Exynos 2400 handles throttling much better than SD and has better heat dispersion properties. SD loses 52% of performance due to heat induced throttling, compared to 2400's 33% loss. This SD 8 Gen 3 is shaping up as another disaster like SD815 IIRC. Running the cores at stupidly high clockspeeds is definition of insanity in such small and thin devices

any source for this throthle info you can link to ? :)

Quote from: Onewhoknow on January 18, 2024, 18:59:37What I care, when compare to SD 8g3 is the heat, battery, stability and drivers!

At this level, performance is secondary and much less important

Then you will be pleased to know Exynos 2400 handles throttling much better than SD and has better heat dispersion properties. SD loses 52% of performance due to heat induced throttling, compared to 2400's 33% loss. This SD 8 Gen 3 is shaping up as another disaster like SD815 IIRC. Running the cores at stupidly high clockspeeds is definition of insanity in such small and thin devices

What I care, when compare to SD 8g3 is the heat, battery, stability and drivers!

At this level, performance is secondary and much less important