Most ordinary people are interested in some useless blizzard, like games, although what is much more important is that the 14 series promised support for USB40 2.0, but in fact it does not, according to screenshots of its presentations from Intel. There is not even support for DP2.0 - there is still a shameful DP1.4b on the slides, which I already wrote about earlier. This is 100 times more important than 3D performance.

The legion Pro 7i is hitting just under 18000 now after updates in timespy CPU scores

Quote from: zhuf on January 10, 2024, 15:33:48

Quote from: Neenyah on January 10, 2024, 12:20:21Intel is more efficient because it's better (and probably larger in size as you said), people still need to catch up with that.

According to the data, at all power levels and in both single and multicore loads, the tested AMD chips are more energy wfficient than the Intel chips.

Hm, correct, apology for making confusion there. My bad, I was talking about Intel's 13th gen which is clearly ahead in most measurements and this 14th gen is just 13 with higher clocks thus the efficiency is lower, that's true. But it's also true that we have to wait for AMD's 8000 series to do comparisons to make it fair (or just compare 13th gen Intel to 7000 AMD) and to get a full picture of what is ahead of us in 2024. This here is basically comparing 2023 against 2023 against late 2023.

Quote from: Neenyah on January 10, 2024, 12:20:21

Quote from: alanyu on January 10, 2024, 11:16:22Amd uses TSMC 5nm while Intel uses intel 7. The better tech brings lower power consumption to AMD, but also due to 5nm, the die size is much smaller. Thus, the heat per surface area (Watts/mm^2) is much higher on AMD CPU, which makes dispatching the heat less efficiency than Intel CPU.

The transistor node sizes aren't determined by the nm number, it's just a marketing thing. So it's not true that you can fit 1.4 times more transistors into the same space. Intel is more efficient because it's better (and probably larger in size as you said), people still need to catch up with that. AMD was clearly superior choice in their 5000 and 6000 era but Intel has finally got their sh*t back together since their 13th gen and now it's on AMD to do their turn (or not).

According to the data, at all power levels and in both single and multicore loads, the tested AMD chips are more energy wfficient than the Intel chips.

Quote from: alanyu on January 10, 2024, 11:16:22Amd uses TSMC 5nm while Intel uses intel 7. The better tech brings lower power consumption to AMD, but also due to 5nm, the die size is much smaller. Thus, the heat per surface area (Watts/mm^2) is much higher on AMD CPU, which makes dispatching the heat less efficiency than Intel CPU.

The transistor node sizes aren't determined by the nm number, it's just a marketing thing. So it's not true that you can fit 1.4 times more transistors into the same space. Intel is more efficient because it's better (and probably larger in size as you said), people still need to catch up with that. AMD was clearly superior choice in their 5000 and 6000 era but Intel has finally got their sh*t back together since their 13th gen and now it's on AMD to do their turn (or not).

Quote from: NikoB on January 09, 2024, 19:55:10But nevertheless, the authors of some reviews of laptops with Zen4 Phoenix continue to claim that laptops with Intel are quieter. How is this physically possible if they consume more?

I have already written that 2024 will be the most boring year in IT for the average consumer. No significant progress in hardware. Nothing interesting in the software. Only an endless rise in prices and growing stagflation.

Somewhere on Olympus, large corporations and states are squabbling over the most powerful neural network expert systems, and at the bottom we have winter, boredom and sad anticipation of how they will figure out how to monetize us and finally turn us into "batteries" as in "The Matrix"...

Amd uses TSMC 5nm while Intel uses intel 7. The better tech brings lower power consumption to AMD, but also due to 5nm, the die size is much smaller. Thus, the heat per surface area (Watts/mm^2) is much higher on AMD CPU, which makes dispatching the heat less efficiency than Intel CPU.

But nevertheless, the authors of some reviews of laptops with Zen4 Phoenix continue to claim that laptops with Intel are quieter. How is this physically possible if they consume more?

I have already written that 2024 will be the most boring year in IT for the average consumer. No significant progress in hardware. Nothing interesting in the software. Only an endless rise in prices and growing stagflation.

Somewhere on Olympus, large corporations and states are squabbling over the most powerful neural network expert systems, and at the bottom we have winter, boredom and sad anticipation of how they will figure out how to monetize us and finally turn us into "batteries" as in "The Matrix"...