Quote from: toto1234 on December 27, 2023, 10:17:30Why do we have climate propaganda articles on NOTEBOOK(!!!)check now ?
Of course, your biased article forgot to mention that most of the existing houses cannot be converted to passive houses, because of prohibitive costs or simply technical imposibilities
And that for new construction, building a passive house in average 20%, and up to 30% more than the regular ones.
Quote from: A on December 28, 2023, 08:06:08Solar panels payback in most places is 3-10 yearsThey never payback in _most_ places actually. Only in places with state incentives and expensive electricity (and a great sun of course), which is not many countries really. And most of these calculations are made using just the panel cost, without the infrastructure, maintenance and batteries (those are typically just another $10-20K every 10 years).
Quote from: A on December 27, 2023, 11:35:55Even if it costs 20-30% moreI love how easily you neglect 20-30% increase in building cost and then are mad about +$200 soldered Apple RAM prices. )
Quote from: Andrew Rudge on December 27, 2023, 13:30:12Payback times are basically never. Most of the elements that give you these efficiencies, glass packs, PV and thermal solar, HMVR, unvented water systems will need replacing every 20 to 25 years. It was the same with the boilers, invest in a high efficency boiler (save £150 a year)10 to 15years life max. Or do I keep my 34 year old glowworm which never let's me down?
It's all about saving energy, not about saving money, and saving energy will cost you money.
I'd challenge the reduction on infrastructure bit fully support self dependence, if only it wasn't to expensive!! Andy.
Quote from: kek on December 27, 2023, 14:58:55Also, cool article I guess, but pretty useless if they literally don't share details of what makes those houses better.
Quote from: A on December 27, 2023, 11:35:55Quote from: toto1234 on December 27, 2023, 10:17:30Why do we have climate propaganda articles on NOTEBOOK(!!!)check now ?
Of course, your biased article forgot to mention that most of the existing houses cannot be converted to passive houses, because of prohibitive costs or simply technical imposibilities
And that for new construction, building a passive house in average 20%, and up to 30% more than the regular ones.
You clearly did not read the article, the article talks about NEW houses built in the last 10 years. Not converting old houses
Even if it costs 20-30% more, it would pay for itself within around 5-10 years. Which is well worth it for buildings that are going to be around 100 years
On top of that, it reduces demand on infrastructure and creates self dependence. Which are all good things
Quote from: A on December 27, 2023, 11:35:55Quote from: toto1234 on December 27, 2023, 10:17:30Why do we have climate propaganda articles on NOTEBOOK(!!!)check now ?
Of course, your biased article forgot to mention that most of the existing houses cannot be converted to passive houses, because of prohibitive costs or simply technical imposibilities
And that for new construction, building a passive house in average 20%, and up to 30% more than the regular ones.
You clearly did not read the article, the article talks about NEW houses built in the last 10 years. Not converting old house.
There is always somebody trying to deflect the argument.
Even if it costs 20-30% more, it would pay for itself within around 5-10 years. Which is well worth it for buildings that are going to be around 100 year.
Payback times are basically never. Most of the elements that give you these efficiencies, glass packs, PV and thermal solar, HMVR, unvented water systems will need replacing every 20 to 25 years. It was the same with the boilers, invest in a high efficency boiler (save £150 a year)10 to 15years life max. Or do I keep my 34 year old glowworm which never let's me down?
It's all about saving energy, not about saving money, and saving energy will cost you money.
On top of that, it reduces demand on infrastructure and creates self dependence. Which are all good things
I'd challenge the reduction on infrastructure bit fully support self dependence, if only it wasn't to expensive!! Andy.
Quote from: toto1234 on December 27, 2023, 10:17:30Why do we have climate propaganda articles on NOTEBOOK(!!!)check now ?
Of course, your biased article forgot to mention that most of the existing houses cannot be converted to passive houses, because of prohibitive costs or simply technical imposibilities
And that for new construction, building a passive house in average 20%, and up to 30% more than the regular ones.