Quote from: Yiğit on December 30, 2023, 21:39:24That doesn't change the fact that Apple should've put a faster display

Probably it's related to massive amount of backlight LEDs, who knows.

Quote from: A on December 30, 2023, 20:13:14Yeah it's blurry a bit, but I just never focus on the screen when scrolling or I'm used to blurry screens, idk.

Yep, this is the key. If you know there'll be ghosting while scrolling content and focus on the screen more while scrolling in order to notice it, you notice it more. Which is what happens to me most of the time. Ignorance is indeed bliss sometimes. That doesn't change the fact that Apple should've put a faster display to this device though, but still...

Quote from: Neenyah on December 30, 2023, 19:59:11I sold my M1 Air in basically mint shape (still miss it tbh) just because that ghosting was unacceptably bad

Probably I'm blind, looking at both MBP and Air screens right now and it's okay on both. Yeah it's blurry a bit, but I just never focus on the screen when scrolling or I'm used to blurry screens, idk.

Reddit is also like 50/50

Quote from: A on December 30, 2023, 19:53:07

Quote from: Neenyah on December 30, 2023, 19:28:37Like a very fast slideshow, unfortunately.

It's motion blur, not slideshow. Because it's kinda fading out, not immediately switching.

youtu.be/p2xo-hDCgZE?t=876

Yes I know but everything at screens at all panels (except e-ink) is being rendered in frames per second, all content. I sold my M1 Air in basically mint shape (still miss it tbh) just because that ghosting was unacceptably bad 😔 And Apple for some reason can't put a faster panel in their MacBooks. Meh...

Quote from: Yiğit on December 30, 2023, 19:14:36I wish I never was aware of this thing beforehand as an overthinker because now I can't unnotice it in many occasions.

Yeah that's the important thing.

Quote from: Neenyah on December 30, 2023, 19:28:37Like a very fast slideshow, unfortunately.

It's motion blur, not slideshow. Because it's kinda fading out, not immediately switching.

youtu.be/p2xo-hDCgZE?t=876

Quote from: Yiğit on December 30, 2023, 19:14:36Yes, the bad pixel response times are NOTICABLE. Especially if you have dark mode turned on and switching between spaces, the ghosting sometimes feels awful. For just scrolling text, it seems fine, but it's nowhere as close to what scrolling text on a 120 Hz OLED phone feels like.

I wish I never was aware of this thing beforehand as an overthinker because now I can't unnotice it in many occasions.

Well of course it is noticeable - 69 ms grey to grey is effective 14.49 frames per second and 75.2 ms black to white is 13.29 fps. Like a very fast slideshow, unfortunately. What you want is, ideally, 16.6 ms or faster, but 25 ms and faster is also very good and unnoticeable except in very fast gaming. 69 and 75 ms is just extreme.

So, to bring clarity to the topic after 1 week of receiving and using the device:

Yes, the bad pixel response times are NOTICABLE. Especially if you have dark mode turned on and switching between spaces, the ghosting sometimes feels awful. For just scrolling text, it seems fine, but it's nowhere as close to what scrolling text on a 120 Hz OLED phone feels like.

I wish I never was aware of this thing beforehand as an overthinker because now I can't unnotice it in many occasions.

And I especially wonder who tf at Apple thought this is OK because it's clearly not for such an expensive device. This is literally the ONLY complaint I have against this machine and because it, as I've said in my previous comments, gives me almost EVERYTHING what I can ask for in a laptop.

Quote from: NikoB on December 21, 2023, 18:39:36As usual, idiot A gets into the topic to insult and indiscriminately discredit anyone who does not conform to the opinion of his employer.
The dog barks, the caravan moves on....the smart ones understand everything.

You finished, clown? You you will be projecting your hate and envy for a week now, angrily typing on your 250nits laptop?

As usual, idiot A gets into the topic to insult and indiscriminately discredit anyone who does not conform to the opinion of his employer.

The dog barks, the caravan moves on....the smart ones understand everything.

Quote from: NikoB on December 21, 2023, 13:23:41This is very noticeable when scrolling text in the browser and is extremely unpleasant on the eyes. All the text turns into mush over time, as do the graphics. I see to IPS on a laptop with a 35-40ms response time and monitor with SPVA with 7ms response time. The difference is colossal to the eye.

Just to add some "user context", this is coming from a local clown who has never used or owned M macbook.

Guy is dailying laptop with IPS 60% sRGB coverage for the last 5 years, you can literally feel his envy, he is sh*tting in every Apple discussion.

Quote from: Yiğit on December 21, 2023, 10:24:34

Quote from: A on December 20, 2023, 22:26:56

Quote from: Yiğit on December 20, 2023, 22:00:5569 and 75 ms pixel response times? HOLY SMOKES. I wish I knew this before I ordered the machine. Now I'm waiting for it to arrive yet I'm really concerned. Goddamn, Apple.

You will probably not even notice if your second display is not OLED. I didn't, lol, maybe I'm kinda used to some extent of blur when scrolling or "not sensitive" as they say now, idk. So don't overthink it.

I'm using an S21 at 120hz, and it has only a few milliseconds of pixel response times. If a phone screen counts.

With that said tho, it's relieving to hear from someone that it's not noticable. Other than that issue, this machine has everything I can ask for, especially since I configured it with 16 GB RAM.

This stupid troll "А" is lying as usual. This is very noticeable when scrolling text in the browser and is extremely unpleasant on the eyes. All the text turns into mush over time, as do the graphics. I see to IPS on a laptop with a 35-40ms response time and monitor with SPVA with 7ms response time. The difference is colossal to the eye.

Quote from: A on December 20, 2023, 22:26:56

Quote from: Yiğit on December 20, 2023, 22:00:5569 and 75 ms pixel response times? HOLY SMOKES. I wish I knew this before I ordered the machine. Now I'm waiting for it to arrive yet I'm really concerned. Goddamn, Apple.

You will probably not even notice if your second display is not OLED. I didn't, lol, maybe I'm kinda used to some extent of blur when scrolling or "not sensitive" as they say now, idk. So don't overthink it.

I'm using an S21 at 120hz, and it has only a few milliseconds of pixel response times. If a phone screen counts.

With that said tho, it's relieving to hear from someone that it's not noticable. Other than that issue, this machine has everything I can ask for, especially since I configured it with 16 GB RAM.

Quote from: Yiğit on December 20, 2023, 22:00:5569 and 75 ms pixel response times? HOLY SMOKES. I wish I knew this before I ordered the machine. Now I'm waiting for it to arrive yet I'm really concerned. Goddamn, Apple.

You will probably not even notice if your second display is not OLED. I didn't, lol, maybe I'm kinda used to some extent of blur when scrolling or "not sensitive" as they say now, idk. So don't overthink it.

69 and 75 ms pixel response times? HOLY SMOKES. I wish I knew this before I ordered the machine. Now I'm waiting for it to arrive yet I'm really concerned. Goddamn, Apple.

Quote from: Neenyah on November 06, 2023, 17:48:40But that's Apple and their obsession with glossy screens without being touchscreens, plus they are yet to learn about the existence of matte panels; they will invent them one day and MacBooks will be the very first laptops in the history of the personal computer to have one to make them even more capable

Actually, they used to offer matte displays as an option. At least on Pro, not sure about Air. They had silver bezels instead of glossy black. They brought them out about two years after switching to glass, relenting to complaints from some people.