Quote from: tom123 on November 03, 2023, 13:14:55Apple isn't selling performance.  It is selling an ecosystem.

Apple sells a combination of performance, ergonomics, ecosystem, paternalism and upselling.

Apple isn't selling performance.  It is selling an ecosystem.  Price for performance is exactly what the marketers don't want anyone talking about because it doesn't tell a complete story about what a piece of technology is. 

Quote from: Julian M on November 02, 2023, 21:20:28The M3 Max sounds indeed like a beast, especially with the top variant with 12 performance cores.

I'm more worried about the potential downgrade on the M3 Pro vs M2 Pro, the 12-core combo used to be 8 performance/4 efficiency, and they changed that to 6 of each + they cut down the memory bandwidth.

Apple is on a crusade to upsell the top contenders no matter what, $2-2.5k isn't enough to get stellar performance anymore, you need to spend $3k+.

That's just the thing - this laptop costs as much as two normal laptops. But does it perform better than 2 laptops together? Suddenly the whole "amazing" thing crumbles.

I think we need a new ratio now besides performance per watt, something like performance per dollar. The new M3 Max wouldn't fare that great any more.

I don't know why any news outlets and blogs don't talk about it. It would be great if Notebookcheck would include this performance per dollar ratio in their reviews.

The M3 Max sounds indeed like a beast, especially with the top variant with 12 performance cores.

I'm more worried about the potential downgrade on the M3 Pro vs M2 Pro, the 12-core combo used to be 8 performance/4 efficiency, and they changed that to 6 of each + they cut down the memory bandwidth.

Apple is on a crusade to upsell the top contenders no matter what, $2-2.5k isn't enough to get stellar performance anymore, you need to spend $3k+.