Quote from: engineer on September 17, 2023, 21:05:47I have to say it's you that is having moronic issues, not this laptop.
Ordered actually one today, top config (except 4k display) at student price. It replaces my P14s gen 2 AMD, very nice compute itself, but 16" display is nice to have for engineering tasks like CAD.

Bizarro you smell a mile away of falsehood.  slight change of nickname does not change your rotten essence.

I only came to read NikoB's comments 😂🤣😂

Quote from: engineer on September 17, 2023, 21:05:47I have to say it's you that is having moronic issues, not this laptop.

Ordered actually one today, top config (except 4k display) at student price. It replaces my P14s gen 2 AMD, very nice compute itself, but 16" display is nice to have for engineering tasks like CAD.

Don't worry about him, he's yet to learn about the existence of ThinkPad docks and that the HDMI itself is there just as an inferior solution for quick on-site connection if necessary. Congrats on your purchase, lovely machine 😊

Quote from: NikoB on September 16, 2023, 12:38:18

Quote from: Bizarro_NikoB on September 16, 2023, 05:49:50This is a good deal at this price point. And its AMD!

Lenovo's hidden marketer is lying again:
psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/ThinkPad/ThinkPad_P16s_Gen_2_Intel/ThinkPad_P16s_Gen_2_Intel_Spec.pdf
psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/ThinkPad/ThinkPad_P16s_Gen_2_AMD/ThinkPad_P16s_Gen_2_AMD_Spec.pdf
7840U full spec: www.amd.com/en/product/13186

The Intel version has 2 USB40/TB4 ports, AMD has one, although the 7840U officially has 2 built-in ones.

We go further and the shameful version for Intel and the shameful version for AMD do not have an HDMI 2.1 output!!!, although both have them built into the SoC. Those. Lenovo's scoundrel marketers deliberately ordered slave engineers to downgrade versions from 2.1 to 2.0 (and without HDR in 4k mode) in the BIOS of both series, depriving buyers of the ability to quickly connect a 4k HDR 4:4:4 monitor or TV in 60Hz mode. Not to mention the fast connection of monitors from 120-165Hz in HDR mode with 4:4:4 (if such appear, because today scoundrel monitor manufacturers have deliberately disabled this feature for HDMI 2.1 input ports)

The key flaw is that both versions are powered from a power supply only via USB-C, which is moronic, unreliable and easily breaks out on sofas and beds when used reclining, and moronicly on one left side. Despite the fact that both Intel and AMD specifically made the TB4/USB40 chips this way so that they could be easily installed symmetrically on the case on the left and right.

Moving on, the 7840U has built-in 2 (TWO) 10Gbps ports, in addition to 2 USB40 ports, which can be routed externally, both -A and -C. What we see in practice - again the goats-marketers ordered the slave engineers to bring out only the shameful outdated 2 ports -A 3.2 Gen1, instead of the 2 x Gen2 available in the SoC !!

Thus, this liar (or an ignorant fool) hiding under a sneaky name, as usual, lies that "this is a good deal at this price point."

There is nothing to pay for essentially so much money for a complete technological insignificance, made so intentionally in the AMD version, and the Intel version only causes contempt and bewilderment with its deliberate technological and ergonomic imperfections

I have to say it's you that is having moronic issues, not this laptop.

Ordered actually one today, top config (except 4k display) at student price. It replaces my P14s gen 2 AMD, very nice compute itself, but 16" display is nice to have for engineering tasks like CAD.

Even the RJ45 port is just a shameful one, 20 years old, overgrown with moss 1Gbps, instead of the minimum 2.5Gbps built into the SoC, although people already want 5-10Gbps, which provide at least fast work with modern HDDs (not to mention RAID configurations) in a NAS and even more so with an SSD of the outdated SATA3 protocol.

How can you quickly make a backup on a NAS if the RJ45 speed is limited to a shameful 115 GB/s, at a time when even old HDDs 3-4 years old are already pumping 240 GB/s.

This series is technologically backward and intentionally so. And there's not much he pays for. Except for those who for some reason want to carry this 16" bandura with them on the road.

Moreover, the shameful Lenovo, even in Legion 7 "Pro" 2023, deliberately downgraded RJ45 to the shameful 1Gbps, instead of 2.5Gbps in their old L7 2022 series, in order to sell idiots at a wild price L9 2023 for $4000+ with the same shameful 2.5Gbps (instead of 5-10, as the top series requires) and with a shameful 32GB of RAM. instead of at least 64.

Quote from: Bizarro_NikoB on September 16, 2023, 05:49:50This is a good deal at this price point. And its AMD!

Lenovo's hidden marketer is lying again:
psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/ThinkPad/ThinkPad_P16s_Gen_2_Intel/ThinkPad_P16s_Gen_2_Intel_Spec.pdf
psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/ThinkPad/ThinkPad_P16s_Gen_2_AMD/ThinkPad_P16s_Gen_2_AMD_Spec.pdf
7840U full spec: www.amd.com/en/product/13186

The Intel version has 2 USB40/TB4 ports, AMD has one, although the 7840U officially has 2 built-in ones.

We go further and the shameful version for Intel and the shameful version for AMD do not have an HDMI 2.1 output!!!, although both have them built into the SoC. Those. Lenovo's scoundrel marketers deliberately ordered slave engineers to downgrade versions from 2.1 to 2.0 (and without HDR in 4k mode) in the BIOS of both series, depriving buyers of the ability to quickly connect a 4k HDR 4:4:4 monitor or TV in 60Hz mode. Not to mention the fast connection of monitors from 120-165Hz in HDR mode with 4:4:4 (if such appear, because today scoundrel monitor manufacturers have deliberately disabled this feature for HDMI 2.1 input ports)

The key flaw is that both versions are powered from a power supply only via USB-C, which is moronic, unreliable and easily breaks out on sofas and beds when used reclining, and moronicly on one left side. Despite the fact that both Intel and AMD specifically made the TB4/USB40 chips this way so that they could be easily installed symmetrically on the case on the left and right.

Moving on, the 7840U has built-in 2 (TWO) 10Gbps ports, in addition to 2 USB40 ports, which can be routed externally, both -A and -C. What we see in practice - again the goats-marketers ordered the slave engineers to bring out only the shameful outdated 2 ports -A 3.2 Gen1, instead of the 2 x Gen2 available in the SoC !!

Thus, this liar (or an ignorant fool) hiding under a sneaky name, as usual, lies that "this is a good deal at this price point."

There is nothing to pay for essentially so much money for a complete technological insignificance, made so intentionally in the AMD version, and the Intel version only causes contempt and bewilderment with its deliberate technological and ergonomic imperfections

This is a good deal at this price point. And its AMD!

Quote from: julia_top on September 15, 2023, 17:23:37ZEN 4 Phoenix is what I'm looking for

No one was doubting that https://imgur.com/a/Lq8UEK5, don't worry.

VERY INTERESTING OFFER.
I might buy it because an AMD ZEN 4 Phoenix is what I'm looking for and the price is good for the screen size.