Niko, as usual, flexing his inability to read and understand what was written despite being written so clearly and easily to understand for anyone with a functional brain. Simply lovely to read 😂

Let me help you my poor disabled friend:

Quote from: A on August 17, 2023, 07:55:26Linux does not sit at 1-2% of desktop, its at 3% now. Add another 3% from ChromeOS which also runs linux at its at over 6%. If you count all *nix operating systems, OSX has 20% so total for all *nix systems is 26%.

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Quote from: NikoB on August 20, 2023, 11:49:08...although an elementary search for statistics clearly says that all Linux desktop versions (open-source) do not even occupy 3% of the total share of desktop OS.

As usual, fake "data", trolling and spam coming from you.

https://imgur.com/zsuPGFW

https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide/

As usual, A is completely nonsense, about some 26%, although an elementary search for statistics clearly says that all Linux desktop versions (open-source) do not even occupy 3% of the total share of desktop OS.

Smoke less, A. Your demagoguery and lies are already tiring everyone.

Quote from: NikoB on August 14, 2023, 23:19:33You have just confirmed the title of inveterate demagogue. Android is not a work environment, it's entertainment and content consumption.
Windows is a working environment. In the desktop environment market, Linux shamefully sits in the corner with its miserable 1-2% for 25 years. And this is fair.

And in browsers under Linux, as the author of this article convincingly proved (which I personally encountered when trying to use Ubuntu LTS), practically nothing and nothing works, including hardware acceleration. And to fill up the system in normal user mode to an unbootable state is as easy as shelling pears. Try doing the same trick with Windows.

Who are you to decide what is a work environment and what isn't?

In the first place, most of the "work environment" has moved to the cloud. Much of it powered by linux.

Though not sure why work environment even matters since who decided that is what the discussion is about?

Linux does not sit at 1-2% of desktop, its at 3% now. Add another 3% from ChromeOS which also runs linux at its at over 6%. If you count all *nix operating systems, OSX has 20% so total for all *nix systems is 26%. Though the number may be higher because many linux users make their useragent windows for privacy reasons

I had no problems with hardware acceleration on linux. The only thing I can think of is you didn't load the store chrome and opted for the download and didn't pass the parameter to enable it. Or you tested years ago

You have just confirmed the title of inveterate demagogue. Android is not a work environment, it's entertainment and content consumption.
Windows is a working environment. In the desktop environment market, Linux shamefully sits in the corner with its miserable 1-2% for 25 years. And this is fair.

And in browsers under Linux, as the author of this article convincingly proved (which I personally encountered when trying to use Ubuntu LTS), practically nothing and nothing works, including hardware acceleration. And to fill up the system in normal user mode to an unbootable state is as easy as shelling pears. Try doing the same trick with Windows.

Quote from: NikoB on August 14, 2023, 14:24:56Again, stupid demagogy from amateur A. Which, moreover, is completely refuted by the share of Linux among users outside the server market. It is negligible and has practically not grown in 25 years. And it will never grow with the mess that is going on there, as well as the incredible complexity of setting up and a bunch of glitches that no one has fixed at all and will not fix.

As one of the users correctly wrote recently - even getting hardware acceleration in browsers and a bunch of other things to work normally there is a non-trivial task (often impossible) even for an IT professional, not to mention an ordinary user who gets all this in Windows with a couple of clicks.

Again your clueless statements despite being proven wrong time and time again. Outside server marketshare is Android which runs linux and has way more users than Windows does. The only place windows has dominance is the "Desktop" category, that is all, every other category from routers, mobile, car infotainment, smart devices and etc, Linux/*nix dominate.

There is no problem getting hardware acceleration working on linux, on most distros it works out of box

Again, stupid demagogy from amateur A. Which, moreover, is completely refuted by the share of Linux among users outside the server market. It is negligible and has practically not grown in 25 years. And it will never grow with the mess that is going on there, as well as the incredible complexity of setting up and a bunch of glitches that no one has fixed at all and will not fix.

As one of the users correctly wrote recently - even getting hardware acceleration in browsers and a bunch of other things to work normally there is a non-trivial task (often impossible) even for an IT professional, not to mention an ordinary user who gets all this in Windows with a couple of clicks.

Quote from: Hotz on August 11, 2023, 11:38:21That's the problem. It's not worth the amount of work, if there isn't a standard linux desktop experience.

It would only be worth the amount of work, if there was a standard linux desktop experience. Because then would be a standardized way to sort out problems. But this isn't possible if everybody has a different linux distribution installed. Look at how many problems Windows 7 alone has produced, now multiply that with every linux distribution. That would be utter madness. Simply not worth the trouble for anyone but hardcore enthusiasts.

Without a standard desktop linux experience, everybody would use another distribution, which all come with their own kernel versions, package managers, UI managers, different apps, etc. - which in combination produce their own problems. What works for person A, does not work for person B. And what works for person B does not work for person A. It would be madness trying to give support for such a chaos. Consequently most companies don't want to give linux support, nor want to write software for such a chaos.

On the backend it is all the same, kernel version doesn't really matter much unless you are on latest hardware, otherwise it would be rare for kernel to be a problem. For package managers, there are mostly the big 2, DNF/YUM or APT. But most regular users will never touch them as they all come with GUI ones.

The only big difference for most users is the UI, and just go with whatever fits your needs. If you want to recommend to new users, you can't go wrong with Linux Mint (Cinnamon for new pcs, Mate for old)

As for giving support, no one does that. Most OEMs that do offer linux generally stick to 1 distro.

For writing software, there is no reason to support all kinds of distros, appimage, flatpak and distrobox are a thing you know? With that, you don't need to worry about what linux version they have, as long as you bundle your dependencies, they will just work

Quote from: A on May 12, 2023, 21:51:36You can generally make anything work on any distribution, just a matter of how much work it is.

That's the problem. It's not worth the amount of work, if there isn't a standard linux desktop experience.

It would only be worth the amount of work, if there was a standard linux desktop experience. Because then would be a standardized way to sort out problems. But this isn't possible if everybody has a different linux distribution installed. Look at how many problems Windows 7 alone has produced, now multiply that with every linux distribution. That would be utter madness. Simply not worth the trouble for anyone but hardcore enthusiasts.

Without a standard desktop linux experience, everybody would use another distribution, which all come with their own kernel versions, package managers, UI managers, different apps, etc. - which in combination produce their own problems. What works for person A, does not work for person B. And what works for person B does not work for person A. It would be madness trying to give support for such a chaos. Consequently most companies don't want to give linux support, nor want to write software for such a chaos.

Quote from: Michel Houde on May 18, 2023, 17:00:16Linux isn`t a distribution, it`s a kernel.

A distribution is a set of softwares running on top of a linux kernel.

No s*** sherlock. Doesn't change the problems I mentioned.

QuoteDiversity is what makes Linux ahead of Windows.

Only for servers and industrial purposes, but not as a desktop user experience.

Quote from: A on August 08, 2023, 23:31:22The fact that you linked that link claiming 40% of ubuntu users are effected by an overlayfs issue on non-LTS version of Ubuntu says you have no clue what you are talking about. Anyone who has even basic programming knowledge would not make that kind of mistake.

As usual amateur A writes nonsense.

Quote from: NikoB on August 08, 2023, 11:26:56To me, who has written hundreds of thousands of lines of the most complex code, it is simply ridiculous to read the opinion of the ignoramus A. Pug can bark at the elephant, maybe she will believe that she is strong...

"Most complex code" lol

The fact that you linked that link claiming 40% of ubuntu users are effected by an overlayfs issue on non-LTS version of Ubuntu says you have no clue what you are talking about. Anyone who has even basic programming knowledge would not make that kind of mistake.

To me, who has written hundreds of thousands of lines of the most complex code, it is simply ridiculous to read the opinion of the ignoramus A. Pug can bark at the elephant, maybe she will believe that she is strong...

Quote from: NikoB on August 07, 2023, 12:50:22In Linux, holes in the code are not fixed for decades, as in and in Windows. These are proven facts. There is no point in "auditing" the code. Moreover, A is not able to audit any code at all. Unlike me, for example, but even I, as a professional, will not do this in view of the madness of the time spent on it. ))

I know you have little clue about coding based on your ridiculous claim of 40% of users being effected with the above when everyone knows that most Ubuntu users are LTS which is not effected. On top of that, the bug you linked is an overlayfs bug with newer kernel versions, which is a bug for those using containers like docker. Aka it is talking about cloud deployments that are using bleeding edge.

Of course since you know nothing about programming, you can't tell the difference. All you know is "bug"

In Linux, holes in the code are not fixed for decades, as in and in Windows. These are proven facts. There is no point in "auditing" the code. Moreover, A is not able to audit any code at all. Unlike me, for example, but even I, as a professional, will not do this in view of the madness of the time spent on it. ))

Quote from: NikoB on July 27, 2023, 14:17:30Almost 40% of Ubuntu users vulnerable to new privilege elevation flaws:

lol, didn't you say no one checks the source? Looks like they do.

Also, note that impacts only Ubuntu 23.04, which is latest version of ubuntu, but not LTS. Latest LTS is 22.04. For anyone who doesn't know the difference like you, LTS distros are what most use, while non-LTS are bleeding edge for those who want latest features but more likely to contain bugs

Almost 40% of Ubuntu users vulnerable to new privilege elevation flaws:
www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/almost-40-percent-of-ubuntu-users-vulnerable-to-new-privilege-elevation-flaws/