Quote from: NikoB on July 08, 2023, 13:56:05More information about the fraud of investors in solar panels:


So the lies of manufacturers about 20-30 years are obvious and their payback is a big question, like all "green" energy. The authorities and business do not care, as long as the naive and believing in the declarations are paying for everything...

Your article clearly says the main issue wasn't the panels but the installers choices to cut costs which led to exposure of contacts to moisture. Even still with all the issues the panels already paid for themselves and continue to be profitable.

Quote from: NikoB on July 08, 2023, 14:01:20When buying solar panels, require written guarantees of 20-30 years from manufacturer. But the trick is that even written legally binding guarantees may not work if by that time, or even after 10 years, the manufacturer himself disappears from the market or replaces the legal entity without succession with the old one...

All warranties here in US for solar come with written warranties and protected by warranty law. I would also avoid buying anything with long term warranties from new companies. In my case, the solar panel company has been around for over 50 years.

When buying solar panels, require written guarantees of 20-30 years from manufacturer. But the trick is that even written legally binding guarantees may not work if by that time, or even after 10 years, the manufacturer himself disappears from the market or replaces the legal entity without succession with the old one...

More information about the fraud of investors in solar panels:
www.pv-magazine.com/2023/07/06/new-research-claims-85-solar-plants-in-czechia-reached-end-of-lifetime-after-only-12-years/

So the lies of manufacturers about 20-30 years are obvious and their payback is a big question, like all "green" energy. The authorities and business do not care, as long as the naive and believing in the declarations are paying for everything...

Quote from: A on June 11, 2023, 23:02:58Though I do agree that Putin screaming nukes is BS.

Well, you agreed with me that the entire West, who has been howling about a nuclear conflict since February 2022 and, under these pretexts, cynically justifying the impossibility of delivering heavy expressions, are duplicitous bastards and bastards who allowed the death of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians. As before, under the same pretext, they allowed the death of millions of Syrians, when Putin from the UN rostrum in the fall of 2015 explicitly threatened the United States to use nuclear weapons if they did not yield to him in Syria. And then Obama and Biden ruled again. NOT Trump and NOT Republicans.

And also, you only confirmed that the "Ukraine" scam was invented to cover up the "covid" scam, and this scam was a cover for the final stage of the "Pumping the world economy with dollar candy wrappers" scam since 2009, when in 2019 it became clear that everything was going to this s*** will spill out into the real economy and it was necessary to urgently arrange a reset that delays this and create the primary conditions of a concentration camp on the planet for all peoples. Which was successfully done, with the violation of the constitutions of countries, including the United States and complete crime on the part of the authorities, large multinationals and, worst of all, people in "white coats" who were easily bought for money and lost the remnants of conscience and common sense. For which it should also be severely punished everywhere, because. become killers in the system. Now they can't wash off the blood on their hands for several generations. As well as the "scientists" who helped these bastards spread false information and justified concentration camp measures for the stupid crowd.

The entire conflict in Ukraine

Thus, the "democrats" (which actually turned into a pure fascist party by 2023 with all its followers and "awakened ones") are completely to blame for this. She is evil and must be eliminated. Naturally, the "republican" party in its current form is also subject to rigorous reform.
In the US, as elsewhere, there should be direct, not anonymous elections. Now you, the population, are not even given the right to vote directly, giving essentially 2 candidates, for the most part from the same powerful kleptocratic party. Therefore, a civil war in the United States is already inevitable. Especially against the background of automatic weapons on hand.

The army is forbidden to interfere in internal conflicts. And the national guard (in fact, punitive internal troops) will simply scatter in different trenches.

Quote from: A on June 11, 2023, 23:02:58You were clearly for everyone moving to ARM though saying everyone should follow Apple. As for the memory issue, it doesn't really matter. The real life performance gains aren't that big. Again, until there are standards for modular components, no one who cares about right to repair should favor soldered components

Again you are talking nonsense that has nothing to do with reality.

Quote from: NikoB on June 11, 2023, 16:28:56You are lying again repeating the delusions of the stupid majority.
Now there are 6 times fewer nuclear warheads on the planet than it was at the time of the critical phase of the Cold War. That's when the USSR alone had almost 30,000 warheads (that's 2.5 times more than the entire nuclear arsenal of the world today) - it could really turn most of the territory of the West and China, India, Asia, Africa into uninhabitable territory.

With modern remnants, the US will be destroyed as an empire, but part of the population 100% will survive, as in other countries. But naturally, the most developed countries will lose the most in terms of their structure and influence, infrastructure (the undeveloped ones have nothing to lose, except for part of the population), because the blow will be struck precisely at them, and not at Africa, South America and parts of Asia / Oceania.

Thus, the West will 100% lose a nuclear war, although it will destroy a significant part of the population of Russia and almost the entire population of China / India (although formally they are not an enemy of the West, I'm sure that warheads will be among the first to fly there) - due to the high population density.

Most of all, Africa and South America will not be affected - it will be easiest to survive there. As well as on a number of oceanic islands.

It's just that the Putin regime, like Xi, is definitely in collusion with Western kleptocracies and, in principle, they don't think to allow this - they just need to share influence and control the sheep, suppressing spontaneous uprisings and attempts to overthrow them by joint efforts. And the "covid" scam and the subsequent "Ukraine" scam only proved that things were not clean if there was a real, serious, fundamental confrontation between them at the existential level.

But what kind of existential and principled confrontation can there be if the Western authorities are already definitely professing fascist regimes and restrictions, sneaking to the end? They are simply engaged in undercover division of the world, fooling the stupid crowd. Not allowing a real dangerous confrontation.

For principled people, just a nuclear war (if there is no way to avoid it) would be a real way out to reset human civilization, although this will set it back 200 years ago.

But it is precisely for the current powers that be that a nuclear war is most unprofitable, therefore, with a 99% probability, there will not be. They just scare the stupid public with a nuclear conflict in order to justify the obvious collusion between them ...

If Putin were really principled (not sparing his stomach and his children) and his comrades-in-arms were ready for a nuclear attack, knowing in advance that they could not win economically and would be completely defeated, and the captains and majors sitting at the missile console followed orders (the chances of these are just minimal, and Putin and Shoigu understand this well), then they would have attacked the West long ago. But no, they want to live and to survive from the filthy broods. And the ruling kleptocrats of the West, China, and India also want to survive.

Frightening the population with a nuclear conflict is a smoke screen for their collusion and distribution of roles in the general hierarchy, squabbling for power and influence.

What is scary about nukes isn't the explosion, it is the radiation. No one would come out unharmed. Also with so many nukes going off you will have other side effects like all the stuff blown into the atmosphere often called "nuclear winter".

You also think that nukes are like a video game where you point and shoot and it lands there, far from it. They are launched into orbit and come down, even a minor failure can have one land elsewhere. Even more so since both countries have anti-missile defense systems that knock them out, but where it lands is anyone's guess

Though I do agree that Putin screaming nukes is BS. Even if he nuked only Ukraine, that radiation is going to come back to Russia. And all the countries who have stayed neutral will turn against Russia. Even if he does order it, his own people will get rid of him, cause they all live like billionaires, why would they want to all go down with him?

QuoteYou again repeat the official propaganda of the United States, which causes only laughter. You have a continuous lack of resources and you are at the finish line. So, if the standard of living falls by 2-3 times, a civil war or the sewerage of anger outside through the beginning of the war, it is the United States, is inevitable. As well as general mobilization subsequently.

The inhabitants of Russia also did not believe that the regime would decide to mobilize, everyone assured that if this happened, the regime would end. And what? It's still holding on, though the cracks are getting wider. It all depends on the ability to control and intimidate the crowd. And as your recent history has shown - the presence of a huge amount of weapons in the hands of the Americans does not mean anything anymore - most of them, despite this, have the same mentality of sheep as the Russians. Those. weapons do not solve anything - only the internal state of the majority of the population, strong enough and ready to fight back, decides. In the US, the urban population of the blue states will immediately lose to the red states. The outcome of the civil war is obvious. But only if the ruling kleptocracy does not have time to channel the general anger of the crowd at the drop in living standards into external aggression. Your kleptocrats are doing just that, preparing a big external war. Whether the opposing sides will force it to start first or whether it will have to start first depends on many factors. Only one thing is obvious - the US ruling kleptocracy supports this war and will start one way or another.

What resource do you think we are lacking exactly? You don't know anything about the US.

The whole fight between red states and blue states is an exercise in futility. Most of the actual strength is in the military. Who cares whether you are willing to use a gun on not when military drones can shoot you from 10,000ft in the sky.

QuoteYou're again misrepresenting what I've written so many times - I'm just pointing out that Apple has made progress far beyond the x86 platform, albeit at some cost. But the fact that the x86 has a frankly weak memory controller and bandwidth should be obvious to any technical IT professional by now, even the entry-level one. Plus, the odious TDP race, which AMD also got involved in, was forced to and which eventually will be forced to admit defeat by 2025 because of this, when its access to advanced technical processes will be completely unaligned by Intel.

But for today x86 has no sane way out regarding the memory controller - a 512-bit controller is technologically unavailable to them. x86 is rapidly hitting a dead end with very slow memory and an increasing number of cores. And also with the fact that each new step in technical processes gives less and less exhaust. Soon there will be nothing to justify the sale of new series, because. TDP has already hit the ceiling (300W on laptops is already insane), and by reducing consumption, the next series will not be able to give any significant advantage over the old ones, and in the worst case (most likely it will be so) the new series will turn out to be slower and it is the Intel management that will have to explain with customers about this, not AMD management.

You were clearly for everyone moving to ARM though saying everyone should follow Apple. As for the memory issue, it doesn't really matter. The real life performance gains aren't that big. Again, until there are standards for modular components, no one who cares about right to repair should favor soldered components

As for what will happens in a few years, well lets be honest here we are reaching the limit of die shrinks. There is talk of optical computers. But I highly doubt optical computers are going to be sold in stores. I think the future is going to be thin/zero clients running on top of optical servers. We already seen a lot of focus on improving latency with 5G being 10x lower latency than 4G, and upcoming 6G has even lower latency of 1ms and below. Wifi too had improvement in latency with 6e and wifi 7 will lower latency even more

Quote from: A on June 11, 2023, 02:45:00It would be the end of civilization if things go nuclear, too many nukes.

You are lying again repeating the delusions of the stupid majority.
Now there are 6 times fewer nuclear warheads on the planet than it was at the time of the critical phase of the Cold War. That's when the USSR alone had almost 30,000 warheads (that's 2.5 times more than the entire nuclear arsenal of the world today) - it could really turn most of the territory of the West and China, India, Asia, Africa into uninhabitable territory.

With modern remnants, the US will be destroyed as an empire, but part of the population 100% will survive, as in other countries. But naturally, the most developed countries will lose the most in terms of their structure and influence, infrastructure (the undeveloped ones have nothing to lose, except for part of the population), because the blow will be struck precisely at them, and not at Africa, South America and parts of Asia / Oceania.

Thus, the West will 100% lose a nuclear war, although it will destroy a significant part of the population of Russia and almost the entire population of China / India (although formally they are not an enemy of the West, I'm sure that warheads will be among the first to fly there) - due to the high population density.

Most of all, Africa and South America will not be affected - it will be easiest to survive there. As well as on a number of oceanic islands.

It's just that the Putin regime, like Xi, is definitely in collusion with Western kleptocracies and, in principle, they don't think to allow this - they just need to share influence and control the sheep, suppressing spontaneous uprisings and attempts to overthrow them by joint efforts. And the "covid" scam and the subsequent "Ukraine" scam only proved that things were not clean if there was a real, serious, fundamental confrontation between them at the existential level.

But what kind of existential and principled confrontation can there be if the Western authorities are already definitely professing fascist regimes and restrictions, sneaking to the end? They are simply engaged in undercover division of the world, fooling the stupid crowd. Not allowing a real dangerous confrontation.

For principled people, just a nuclear war (if there is no way to avoid it) would be a real way out to reset human civilization, although this will set it back 200 years ago.

But it is precisely for the current powers that be that a nuclear war is most unprofitable, therefore, with a 99% probability, there will not be. They just scare the stupid public with a nuclear conflict in order to justify the obvious collusion between them ...

If Putin were really principled (not sparing his stomach and his children) and his comrades-in-arms were ready for a nuclear attack, knowing in advance that they could not win economically and would be completely defeated, and the captains and majors sitting at the missile console followed orders (the chances of these are just minimal, and Putin and Shoigu understand this well), then they would have attacked the West long ago. But no, they want to live and to survive from the filthy broods. And the ruling kleptocrats of the West, China, and India also want to survive.

Frightening the population with a nuclear conflict is a smoke screen for their collusion and distribution of roles in the general hierarchy, squabbling for power and influence.

Quote from: A on June 11, 2023, 02:45:00Like many places, US has its own internal conflicts that they prioritize, and China is playing both sides like a fiddle. That said, I doubt it would lead to a civil war, at worst both sides will split volantarily. US has no shortage of resources so you know, at least not for the forseable century.

You again repeat the official propaganda of the United States, which causes only laughter. You have a continuous lack of resources and you are at the finish line. So, if the standard of living falls by 2-3 times, a civil war or the sewerage of anger outside through the beginning of the war, it is the United States, is inevitable. As well as general mobilization subsequently.

The inhabitants of Russia also did not believe that the regime would decide to mobilize, everyone assured that if this happened, the regime would end. And what? It's still holding on, though the cracks are getting wider. It all depends on the ability to control and intimidate the crowd. And as your recent history has shown - the presence of a huge amount of weapons in the hands of the Americans does not mean anything anymore - most of them, despite this, have the same mentality of sheep as the Russians. Those. weapons do not solve anything - only the internal state of the majority of the population, strong enough and ready to fight back, decides. In the US, the urban population of the blue states will immediately lose to the red states. The outcome of the civil war is obvious. But only if the ruling kleptocracy does not have time to channel the general anger of the crowd at the drop in living standards into external aggression. Your kleptocrats are doing just that, preparing a big external war. Whether the opposing sides will force it to start first or whether it will have to start first depends on many factors. Only one thing is obvious - the US ruling kleptocracy supports this war and will start one way or another.

Quote from: A on June 11, 2023, 02:45:00What do you mean "ahead of x86"? Apple is using custom ARM. All of which have been using embedded systems. Do you not put 2 and 2 together that transistioning to ARM means everything will be embedded until that is addressed?

You're again misrepresenting what I've written so many times - I'm just pointing out that Apple has made progress far beyond the x86 platform, albeit at some cost. But the fact that the x86 has a frankly weak memory controller and bandwidth should be obvious to any technical IT professional by now, even the entry-level one. Plus, the odious TDP race, which AMD also got involved in, was forced to and which eventually will be forced to admit defeat by 2025 because of this, when its access to advanced technical processes will be completely unaligned by Intel.

But for today x86 has no sane way out regarding the memory controller - a 512-bit controller is technologically unavailable to them. x86 is rapidly hitting a dead end with very slow memory and an increasing number of cores. And also with the fact that each new step in technical processes gives less and less exhaust. Soon there will be nothing to justify the sale of new series, because. TDP has already hit the ceiling (300W on laptops is already insane), and by reducing consumption, the next series will not be able to give any significant advantage over the old ones, and in the worst case (most likely it will be so) the new series will turn out to be slower and it is the Intel management that will have to explain with customers about this, not AMD management.

And what they will do next - it will be very funny. Although a big war is looming to channel the anger of the masses in the US/EU and in the West in general due to the falling living standards and the need to eliminate the most physically dangerous sections of the population for the powerful kleptocrats, all these problems will inevitably overshadow. The public will not be up to it...

Quote from: A on June 11, 2023, 02:45:00I am not sure what point you are trying to make, solar panels vary by type and quality. Sure, solar panels degrade with time, but so does everything. Most solar panels come with at least 25 years warranty that assures 80% generation. My solar panels on my roof promise 92% after 25 years.

You are the perfect consumer fool for solar panel companies. In the study, it is written that these panels will definitely not work out the declared resource.

And by the time you need to file a claim, these companies will no longer exist, so there will be no one to file a claim. ))

Quote from: A on June 11, 2023, 02:45:00CE includes both diesel and gasoline. And no they do not work great there at all.

Quote from: A on June 11, 2023, 02:45:00Not really, assuming the battery wasn't fully discharged, it can last a month in the cold. Afterward, the manufacturer can bring it back to life if they wanted to.

As for gasoline/diesel cars, nope. First your 12v would be dead since lead acid battery will die. Second of all it gets cold enough that gasoline and diesel freezes. Leaving it for that long and starting it up is extremely risky and life threatening.

Tell your fantasies to the inhabitants of Siberia, they will laugh at you for a long time, as if you were obviously crazy.

Quote from: A on June 11, 2023, 02:45:00Sorry, but you are wrong. No matter how tempting the hand is, it is still up to the people to chose what to do. Japan and South Korea were no different than many developed nations, yet now their standards of living are among the west

Do you know why world hunger exists? It has nothing to do with there being not enough food.

I am not absolving the west from all blame, but it is naive to think it is the source of all blame. If roles were reversed do you think it would be any better? It may even be worse.

Ultimately, it is up to themselves to fix their problems. It isn't an easy road, but ultimately all nations started fair, some won, some lost and we got to where we are today. All the people of the west can really do is throw bones. But ultimately it is the duty of each nation to do their best to improve themselves.

You again cynically and snobbishly deny the guilt of the Western countries, their inhabitants in the state of governance in the third world countries. Although I previously proved a significant fault in this is precisely the Western world, which sucks all the juice out of them.

And I proved that the population of such countries, being mentally and developmentally backward, physically cannot develop better and change the authorities for a simple reason - the full support of totalitarian regimes from the West and, first of all, the United States all these 75 years after the Second World War. As soon as it became financially and geostrategically profitable for them, they everywhere supported the power of bandits, thieves, corrupt officials, all this filthy trash. Not allowing really civic-minded people to deal with them. And for this, it is necessary to eliminate any possibility of arrival and use by representatives of the authorities and affiliated business of the Western world and its benefits for bloody, dirty money, which the cynical and duplicitous West has been regularly violating for 75 years, which caused the just hatred of normal people all over the planet. You deserve it 100% and no one will cry over your disappearance. That is why, despite the horrors perpetrated by regimes such as Putin and Xi in China, most of the developing world is watching with gloating Putin's victory in moral terms with the West. And his gain in this regard is 100% - he once again demonstrated to the whole world the duplicity and cynicism of the majority of the Western population and their elected authorities.

If your authorities really wanted the victory of normal people and the normal development of such countries, they would have long ago blocked any attempts to enter officials and their relatives. Even now, against the backdrop of howling to your corrupt press about the horrors perpetrated by Putin and his henchmen, your authorities and the authorities of the West as a whole have not blacklisted all judges, all prosecutors, all security officials without exception.

At a minimum, all judges and prosecutors - because they are the ones who ensure the legitimacy of the regime.

How your authorities cynically and vilely every time recognize the legitimacy of the elections, even when it is obvious that the voters lost the elections and could not win, i.e. their power is 100% illegitimate.

Thus, the West cynically and vilely allows the creation of fascist regimes, as long as it is beneficial for them financially and geopolitically. And when they finally raise their heads (as the US sponsored the German Nazis and the Putin regime now), they suddenly shed crocodile tears.

Let me remind you that the United States is the guarantor of the safety of Ukraine within the 1992 borders, according to the Budapest agreements, like England. And because of these agreements, Ukraine was persuaded to hand over 3,000 nuclear warheads - if they had them now, no one would attack them. Thus, Biden and Johnson in February 2022, before the start of the invasion, were obliged to present a nuclear ultimatum to Russia in the event of an invasion of Ukraine and to deliver a nuclear strike if this happens, in accordance with the Budapest agreements. The fools of Ukraine naively believed the assurances of vile and deceitful Western "partners" in 1994-1995, now of course they no longer trust anyone and are now quietly creating nuclear weapons, which everyone will soon know about. And Putin is well aware that as soon as they have it - he will not be able to deliver a nuclear strike on them - they will have to fight only with conventional weapons, and here everything will depend on who has more conventional weapons and an army in order to hold on to the already occupied territory.

What conclusions can be drawn in the end? The US and the West as a whole NEEDED to ensure the invasion of the Putin clique into Ukraine to cover up the end of the covid scam, to switch the attention of the stupid majority to another topic and of course to provide a cover story for the start of hyperinflation (which really started in 2019 thanks to the final maximum pumping of the Fed market with money, for which they needed a scam with covid - they managed to temporarily suppress the splashing of hyper until the second half of 2021 into the real economy, and then they already covered the topic with an invasion of Ukraine) in the US and in the West, because in reality it started at the end of 2021, it can be seen from all economic data. The first thing that scoundrel Biden did was that in March 2022 he already squealed about "Putin's" inflation in the United States from site White House, although its appearance due to this topic in March 2022 was simply excluded due to the inertia of the world economy. The ordinary redneck of course believed in it, but not well-educated people who follow, like me, the market data for years and decades. For the same reason, they withdrew their troops from Afghanistan in "shame" - they simply could not, in the current state of the United States and the West, pull two scams in parallel. The economy simply couldn't handle it. Those. people following the topic, already in 2019, understood what they were up to and how everything would roughly develop further. I have been writing about this trend since 2012-2013 on economic/crisis forums.

The key trigger that launches preparations for covering up the "covid" scam with an invasion of Ukraine - a code word, in agreement with the Putin regime and the Chinese regimes (and they have definitely been in collusion with Western powerful kleptocracies for a long time) - Biden's announcement in an interview with a journalist in March 2021 of Putin as a "murderer". After that, it became already clear that the process of a new scam was put into action. What will they do next when even such events no longer impress the public is an interesting question, because the problems of the West are not decreasing, but only growing, and in any case, kleptocracies will have to somehow channel the anger of the simple crowd into a sharp drop in living standards in the near future – then what's happened now is childish compared to what's to come for all of you in the future. And of course, in such countries as Russia or China, it will be even worse at times, i.e. the same pitch hell, or even many times worse, as it was during the civil war in Russia since 1917.

Quote from: A on June 11, 2023, 02:45:00Though not sure how an industry trying to protect their profits is so weird to you. I mean you can literally follow the money.

Because the West duplicitously declares human rights, the principles of a market economy and other nonsense for idiots. And finally, thanks to their two latest scams - "covid" and "invasion of Ukraine", people finally realized this in full, finally, in real time, watching the duplicitous position of the West and the lack of real support for Ukraine, so that everything ends quickly with the defeat of at least Russia and beyond China. And as I wrote above, they had the opportunity to present a nuclear ultimatum to Putin before the invasion, in accordance with the promises to be the guarantor of Ukraine's integrity under the Budapest agreements, because of which she agreed to give up 3,000 nuclear warheads - the third arsenal in the world, i.e. it was stronger in arsenal than the rest of the world put together, except for the Russian Federation and the United States. Such meanness and deceit are not forgiven, although the Ukrainians are now caught between a rock and a hard place and are forced to endure Western "partners." They did not keep them, and now the whole world has seen - the promises of the West are worth nothing, a broken penny. And only the possession of nuclear weapons is worth it, so that no one dares to attack them. There are no more agreements and faith in the West among the population of developing countries. And despite the clear agreements of the kleptocracies of the whole world, this situation clearly showed everyone the duplicity of the declarations of the Western countries. After all, no one had any doubts about the nature of the Putin or Chinese regime before. The West has lost face in 3 years completely.

Apparently, mentally, most of the inhabitants of Western countries (as apparently you personally, which I clearly prove your thoughts here) do not even understand how the West has morally fallen in the face of other countries. The West has lost its geopolitical ideological base around the world since 2020 completely, and it is for the same reason that Hollywood, as the mouthpiece and tool of this geopolitics, has also been completely blown away - RIP. They are just the same fascist regimes that pretend to be democratic and liberal. Nobody cares about the declarations of the West now, everyone saw what it is like in action ...

Quote from: A on June 11, 2023, 02:45:00That doesn't mean what you think it means... it means that if you subtract government construction(bridges, military bases and etc), then 13% of the remainder is factories. The other 87% are things like houses and etc.

The 190 billion is all private investment into factories

Nice try to get out, but no. You know little. =)

Quote from: A on June 11, 2023, 02:45:00Democrats - left - liberals
- social equality human rights, government should work for the people, anti-military, pro-environment - pro socialism

You apparently decided to kill me with laughter? )))))) Democrats - liberals? Stop, you look like a clown or "awakened".

Quote from: A on June 11, 2023, 02:45:00You want to use a bomber's manifest as a guide?

The one who does not act, does not change anything. Most stupidly go with the flow, like social animals, which they really are, which means they have no a priori rights, like cattle on a farm. And the events since 2020 have clearly proved this - the population of the West was treated like disenfranchised cattle, and the majority easily obeyed these conditions, despite the obvious comprehensive lies (in which the stupid majority continues to believe even now, despite all the facts) and violation of the constitution, laws.

This is how fascist totalitarian power is established. Step by step, when there is no severe punishment for all the guilty, who decided to break the laws, to lie or thoughtlessly obey the obviously illegal orders of others, having no critical thinking and no understanding of the laws, i.e. in fact, these are the disabled segments of the population.

Quote from: A on June 11, 2023, 02:45:00Everything has ups and downs, imagine your boss is for corporate rights, you are for worker rights. You have a family to feed. Thus your choice is not anymore your own but not to p*** off your boss so you can feed your family.

Anonymous voting won't end populism, it would actually do the opposite. As the majority will bully the minority whose votes do not align

This is demagogy in favor of the weak, lazy, stupid, cowardly.
Fight it despite your personal hardships.
And strongly oppose the stupid majority in trying to force you to act as they want, despite this, which obviously leads to fatal results.

Those who take conformist, decadent positions, act on the basis of a herd mentality, do not want to think rationally, critically, are influenced by populists, scoundrels. Just as the history of mankind has shown, all countries with such a position of the population inevitably come to authoritarianism, then totalitarianism and aggressive fascism. And this fate has not passed, and the United States at the current stage, your society is already close to totalitarian. Before fascism with one hand. And soon this will manifest itself, as in 22 years from 1992 to 2014 Russia turned into a kind of Germany by 1933. And it was the fault of the United States and the West that at a critical moment in the 90s, instead of real help (to the detriment of themselves and the standard of living of the population), they did not pull out Russian society is out of this vicious circle, because the Soviet people did not even have a hint of the experience of liberal freedoms and rights. The United States did not contribute to the destruction of the influence of the KGB on power, which allowed Putin to come. It was convenient and comfortable for the greedy business of the West and their economies until the vertical raised its head.

Where were the "democrats" - "liberals" Obama and Biden? in 2014? Where was the "democrat" Clinton in the 90s? He recently publicly admitted his guilt in the attack on Ukraine. But Obama did NOT admit, although this is 100% his fault, because it was he and his administration who allowed the capture of Crimea with minimal consequences for the Putin regime and the possibility of a completely fascist regime becoming there. And Biden was his vice president and was then still cognitively complete.

It turns out that the "democrats" of the United States have been bringing evil to the world for the past 30 years, and the Republicans are cleaning up their s*** for them.

Quote from: A on June 11, 2023, 02:45:00US design patents last 15 years, utility patents 20 years. And you can license those patents, even more so many patents are given up into standards for cheap prices

China just knocks stuff off, they don't make their stuff look exactly like their competition or make knockoffs with same name with 1 letter changed because how dreaded patents are

The reality is, western patents have 0 impact on the developing world or 3rd world cause no one truly enforces them. Most harm of patent abuses in US for one just harm the US.

Again demagogy. When Russia tried to buy Opel before 2010, it was cynically refused, although it wanted to get a huge pool of patents and paid the most, and the West recognized the legitimacy of that regime and worked with it as with "partners", back then. Like China, on a variety of issues. That is why the West kept the main production in Taiwan, using cynically cheap labor in monstrous working conditions in mainland China and primitive environmental standards, besides contributing to corruption in China. Money didn't matter. As in other countries, the West does not sell key technologies or give away their secrets. This means that your patent system is beneficial only to you and disadvantageous to developing countries, and it is impossible to buy something for money even by giving the best price, which means that no one cares about your patent system from now on. While the United States can still twist its arms, the problem is that the human capital of the United States and the West as a whole is rapidly degrading, which makes it easier for China.

The formation of such TNCs as M$, Google, Intel, Apple, with the deliberate connivance of the corrupt US authorities, the antimonopoly authorities, has led to the fact that capitalism has turned into imperialism, an instrument of influence on third world countries, and not a really free and competitive market. WTO today causes only laughter.

Even now, the grades in natural sciences and Chinese students are significantly superior to their American peers. And this process cannot be reversed in 3-5 years. While the United States still has the highest cadres and they are pulling talented people from all over the world, making up for their problems in cadres in all areas - but for how long?

TNK patents should expire in their entirety within 5-7 years, period. Independent startups with a small market share have 10-15 years.

Quote from: NikoB on June 10, 2023, 16:17:37By the way, here is what the research scientists think (and what I suspected, based on the real dishonesty of most of the business) about the life of your solar panels:

I am not sure what point you are trying to make, solar panels vary by type and quality. Sure, solar panels degrade with time, but so does everything. Most solar panels come with at least 25 years warranty that assures 80% generation. My solar panels on my roof promise 92% after 25 years.

Quote from: NikoB on June 10, 2023, 22:39:13Both ICEs and diesels work great there.

ICE includes both diesel and gasoline. And no they do not work great there at all.

QuoteBy the way, in the event that you have a car left on the street for a month or more due to unforeseen conditions, you will say goodbye to the battery of an electric car and get into big expenses again, while with an ICE/diesel car, you just sit down and go even after a month...for example, leaving the hospital...

Not really, assuming the battery wasn't fully discharged, it can last a month in the cold. Afterward, the manufacturer can bring it back to life if they wanted to.

As for gasoline/diesel cars, nope. First your 12v would be dead since lead acid battery will die. Second of all it gets cold enough that gasoline and diesel freezes. Leaving it for that long and starting it up is extremely risky and life threatening.

QuoteAnd now you are building a forgetful fool out of yourself, pretending that you don't remember what I wrote earlier - maybe it's worth refreshing your memories and the reasons why this is impossible in practice and why the fault lies with the citizens of developed countries, from responsibility for which they deliberately and duplicitously leave, just like now you, as a real snob (and most of the two-faced US elite who hammered it into you), continue demagogically declaring that the population of developing countries should solve their problems themselves.

Sorry, but you are wrong. No matter how tempting the hand is, it is still up to the people to chose what to do. Japan and South Korea were no different than many developed nations, yet now their standards of living are among the west

Do you know why world hunger exists? It has nothing to do with there being not enough food.

I am not absolving the west from all blame, but it is naive to think it is the source of all blame. If roles were reversed do you think it would be any better? It may even be worse.

Ultimately, it is up to themselves to fix their problems. It isn't an easy road, but ultimately all nations started fair, some won, some lost and we got to where we are today. All the people of the west can really do is throw bones. But ultimately it is the duty of each nation to do their best to improve themselves.

QuoteAnd now our dear A is looking for a conspiracy ... =)

Says the person who has been peddling lots of conspiracies... Though not sure how an industry trying to protect their profits is so weird to you. I mean you can literally follow the money.

QuoteYou just read very little, ie. you have little vision.
Looks like Business Insider is talking nonsense...

QuoteAccording to data from the Census Bureau released last week, construction spending by US manufacturers more than doubled over the past year. For April 2023, the annual rate reached nearly $190 billion compared with $90 billion in June 2022, with manufacturing accounting for around 13% of non-government construction.

That doesn't mean what you think it means... it means that if you subtract government construction(bridges, military bases and etc), then 13% of the remainder is factories. The other 87% are things like houses and etc.

The 190 billion is all private investment into factories

QuoteI haven't laughed in such a long time. Almost slid off the chair under the table. Apparently your "Democrats" are still kind of Nazis? Since there are different types of liberals? Is calling those who profess a market economy and capitalism now accepted by "right-wing conservatives" in America among the "woke" leftists?

Just like there is a discrepancy between "US english" and "UK english", the labels in question have gone through slang. In US it goes like this:

Democrats - left - liberals
- social equality human rights, government should work for the people, anti-military, pro-environment
- pro socialism

Republicans - right - conservatives
- corporate rights, and small government(at least the libertarians part of the party), pro-military
- pro free market capitalism

Though it isn't really set in stone cause a democrat in the south is more right than a republican in the north. And a republican in the north is more left than a democrat in the south

QuoteUnabomber died today in jail, read his manifesto and more recent work "Anti Tech Revolution Why And How"...I think it will be useful for you, although if you are "awakened", then apparently it's too late ...

You want to use a bomber's manifest as a guide?

QuoteAnd truth is, everyone wants tyranny, just the tyranny of their own choosing.
Not much wrong - to their benefit. If tyranny is disadvantageous to someone, it is wrong.

I personally have long been advocating a ban on anonymous voting, that is, only direct by name, with full public access to the voting results (as in parliaments), which are stored forever - everyone should be responsible for the choice made. In society. Or leave it.

Then the liars will not be able to lie, the stupid, lazy and infantile will get what they deserve.

Because the choice of the insane majority based on the belief in populism leads to the horrors of civilization. And when the time comes to answer, the list will be by name, with responsibility by name, which the stupid crowd loves to avoid so much, as it has happened more than once in history, pretending that those elected by them are to blame for everything, but they have nothing to do with it. How the Germans justified themselves after World War II, and how the Russians justify themselves now - Putin is to blame, we are hostages...

By the way, this partially corresponds to your requirement above - to decide your own fate, not relying on more developed societies.

Everything has ups and downs, imagine your boss is for corporate rights, you are for worker rights. You have a family to feed. Thus your choice is not anymore your own but not to p*** off your boss so you can feed your family.

Anonymous voting won't end populism, it would actually do the opposite. As the majority will bully the minority whose votes do not align

Unfortunately, there is no "easy" answer.

Also, when people vote they may not vote how you think they do. Say you see a person vote for a candidate that supports X. So you think that person also supports X. But in reality they could care less about X but care about Y. People often really care about 10% of the issues, and don't about the remaining 90%. They do whatever it takes to protect that 10% even supporting that 90% they do not because to them it is the lesser of 2 evils. Add in some group mentality, they automatically defend all the issues of the party they support even if they don't truly support them.

This is partly why political parties are bad. Because they make things worse and people lazy. They create group mentality and people stop thinking for themselves because it is convenient and it makes it easy to "protect that 10%" even if their party doesn't truly care about that 10%, they just feel the other side is worse

QuoteThey expire too long within the holdings of TNK, as I have written about many times on NB. Of course, China is forced to ignore such a patent system - because. it is beneficial to the more developed and strong, the soul is the development of the weaker. And the strong will always find an excuse for such a state of affairs - but the question is - why do your greedy companies climb into China then? Stay at home. You get the answer - got into China - play by the rules of China.

US design patents last 15 years, utility patents 20 years. And you can license those patents, even more so many patents are given up into standards for cheap prices

China just knocks stuff off, they don't make their stuff look exactly like their competition or make knockoffs with same name with 1 letter changed because how dreaded patents are

The reality is, western patents have 0 impact on the developing world or 3rd world cause no one truly enforces them. Most harm of patent abuses in US for one just harm the US.

QuoteIt will not necessarily be nuclear, but even nuclear is 100% not the end of civilization, but 100% the end of the Western world and definitely the end of the USA.

It would be the end of civilization if things go nuclear, too many nukes.

QuoteBut the fact that if the United States fails to overwhelm China before them (Russia is already over for 2-4 years) before they suffer a political and financial collapse, this will inevitably provoke US kleptocratic circles into an external war, but if humanity is very lucky, it will be your internal civil war , as it was in Russia from 1905 to 1922 and on until 1941. Now, of course, with such communications and such a huge population, everything will develop much faster - resources are running out.

Like many places, US has its own internal conflicts that they prioritize, and China is playing both sides like a fiddle. That said, I doubt it would lead to a civil war, at worst both sides will split volantarily. US has no shortage of resources so you know, at least not for the forseable century.

QuoteCan you give at least one quote from me, where I wrote this? I always put Apple as an example for today, which is ahead of x86, no more. I am for a modular design, the right to free repair and intervention of the owner in the equipment - after all, he is its full owner (or not already?).

What do you mean "ahead of x86"? Apple is using custom ARM. All of which have been using embedded systems. Do you not put 2 and 2 together that transistioning to ARM means everything will be embedded until that is addressed?

Quote from: A on June 10, 2023, 21:12:49On top of that, ICE cars don't work well in Siberia either. They use multiple electric block heaters.

Both ICEs and diesels work great there.

By the way, in the event that you have a car left on the street for a month or more due to unforeseen conditions, you will say goodbye to the battery of an electric car and get into big expenses again, while with an ICE/diesel car, you just sit down and go even after a month...for example, leaving the hospital...

Quote from: A on June 10, 2023, 21:12:49And who decides what fairly is? End of the day power corrupts, there is no way around it. While the US and EU people can throw bones, ultimately it is up to the people themselves to insure their own governments are not corrupt, not the west.

And now you are building a forgetful fool out of yourself, pretending that you don't remember what I wrote earlier - maybe it's worth refreshing your memories and the reasons why this is impossible in practice and why the fault lies with the citizens of developed countries, from responsibility for which they deliberately and duplicitously leave, just like now you, as a real snob (and most of the two-faced US elite who hammered it into you), continue demagogically declaring that the population of developing countries should solve their problems themselves.

Quote from: A on June 10, 2023, 21:12:49The ones who increase taxes for EVs are the anti-EV crowd, usually in the pocket of fossil fuel industry. But some also want all private cars off the road.

And now our dear A is looking for a conspiracy ... =)

Quote from: A on June 10, 2023, 21:12:49Where do you get this nonsense? Provide numbers and sources. There isn't even enough set aside in the budget for that

You just read very little, ie. you have little vision.
Looks like Business Insider is talking nonsense...
businessinsider.com/us-building-factories-census-data-chips-act-inflation-reduction-act-2023-6

QuoteAccording to data from the Census Bureau released last week, construction spending by US manufacturers more than doubled over the past year. For April 2023, the annual rate reached nearly $190 billion compared with $90 billion in June 2022, with manufacturing accounting for around 13% of non-government construction.

Quote from: A on June 10, 2023, 21:12:49What? Liberals in different countries means different things. I know for example that Liberal in US is opposite of Liberal in Australia. I don't know what Liberal is in your country, but the ones who speak for capitalism as market economy in US aren't the liberals but the conservatives who is the right.

I haven't laughed in such a long time. Almost slid off the chair under the table. Apparently your "Democrats" are still kind of Nazis? Since there are different types of liberals? Is calling those who profess a market economy and capitalism now accepted by "right-wing conservatives" in America among the "woke" leftists?

Quote from: A on June 10, 2023, 21:12:49lol, you are joking right? Your logic of morals is words used and not actions taken? I guess you probably think gasing millions of people in the Holocust was moral 80 years ago as long as there was an aoology and nice words?

The standard for morals has actually went up today than it was before. But freedom of speech and freedom of expression

Your complaints about youth behavior is nothing more than you being unfamiliar with the change of the times while romanticizing the past, nothing more. And I can prove it, here is a quote:

"We live in a decaying age. Young people no longer respect their parents. They are rude and impatient. They frequently inhabit taverns and have no self-control."

- Writing on a 6000 year old Egyptian tomb

"What is happening to our young people? They disrespect their elders, they disobey their parents. They ignore the law. They riot in the streets, inflamed with wild notions. Their morals are decaying. What is to become of them?"

- Plato (4th century BC)

"The young people of today think of nothing but themselves. They have no reverence for parents or old age. They are impatient of all restraint ... As for the girls, they are forward, immodest and unladylike in speech, behaviour and dress."

- Peter the Hermit (1274 AD)


It's called ephebiphobia

Unabomber died today in jail, read his manifesto and more recent work "Anti Tech Revolution Why And How"...I think it will be useful for you, although if you are "awakened", then apparently it's too late ...

Quote from: A on June 10, 2023, 21:12:49And truth is, everyone wants tyranny, just the tyranny of their own choosing.

Not much wrong - to their benefit. If tyranny is disadvantageous to someone, it is wrong.

I personally have long been advocating a ban on anonymous voting, that is, only direct by name, with full public access to the voting results (as in parliaments), which are stored forever - everyone should be responsible for the choice made. In society. Or leave it.

Then the liars will not be able to lie, the stupid, lazy and infantile will get what they deserve.

Because the choice of the insane majority based on the belief in populism leads to the horrors of civilization. And when the time comes to answer, the list will be by name, with responsibility by name, which the stupid crowd loves to avoid so much, as it has happened more than once in history, pretending that those elected by them are to blame for everything, but they have nothing to do with it. How the Germans justified themselves after World War II, and how the Russians justify themselves now - Putin is to blame, we are hostages...

By the way, this partially corresponds to your requirement above - to decide your own fate, not relying on more developed societies.

Quote from: A on June 10, 2023, 21:12:49Patents expire you know, and most patents are really just enforced in the western world. Hence China is known for not caring for US or EU patents.

They expire too long within the holdings of TNK, as I have written about many times on NB. Of course, China is forced to ignore such a patent system - because. it is beneficial to the more developed and strong, the soul is the development of the weaker. And the strong will always find an excuse for such a state of affairs - but the question is - why do your greedy companies climb into China then? Stay at home. You get the answer - got into China - play by the rules of China.

Quote from: A on June 10, 2023, 21:12:49I highly doubt there will be any major war, the existence of nukes has made wars between countries of nukes impossible other than proxy wars at best.

It will not necessarily be nuclear, but even nuclear is 100% not the end of civilization, but 100% the end of the Western world and definitely the end of the USA.

But the fact that if the United States fails to overwhelm China before them (Russia is already over for 2-4 years) before they suffer a political and financial collapse, this will inevitably provoke US kleptocratic circles into an external war, but if humanity is very lucky, it will be your internal civil war , as it was in Russia from 1905 to 1922 and on until 1941. Now, of course, with such communications and such a huge population, everything will develop much faster - resources are running out.

Quote from: A on June 10, 2023, 21:12:49Then can you explain why you want everyone to move from modular reusable parts to soldered embedded platforms where we create more waste and need more mining?

Can you give at least one quote from me, where I wrote this? I always put Apple as an example for today, which is ahead of x86, no more. I am for a modular design, the right to free repair and intervention of the owner in the equipment - after all, he is its full owner (or not already?).

Quote from: NikoB on June 10, 2023, 16:13:32It is your logic that is absurdly primordial. It happens and all the time it's different things, don't you think?

How many truly cold days a year are there in Norway, where the bulk of the population really lives, compared to, for example, Siberia?

Your logic is again flawed, most of the world does not live in Siberia. On top of that, ICE cars don't work well in Siberia either. They use multiple electric block heaters.

QuoteIt is obvious that the highest quality options for goods come to the US and the EU, to other countries on a residual basis. And thanks to the endless printing of the main (still) reserve currencies of the world - the dollar and the euro, the authorities can, by spreading the inflation of their fiat candy wrappers all over the planet, subsidize implicitly better goods and their supplies to their countries.

If the whole planet lived more fairly (and this primarily depends on the more "advanced" Westerners who deliberately do not pay attention to global corruption and manipulation, because all this is beneficial for them, for non-residents of developing countries, it happened historically and it is their moral obligation to act contrary to their own benefit in such a way that they show duplicity in public declarations about the protection of decency, human rights, etc. nonsense in favor of idiots whom they are still able to deceive, mostly stupid youth in third countries world, who do not understand how the dirty world really works), then Americans and Europeans would live 3 times poorer than now and there would be no question of any electric cars - even cars with internal combustion engines would be a luxury for them.

And who decides what fairly is? End of the day power corrupts, there is no way around it. While the US and EU people can throw bones, ultimately it is up to the people themselves to insure their own governments are not corrupt, not the west.

QuoteThe reality is that the authorities of the most thinking states no longer think so, and have increased the vehicle tax not by 10%, but at times for electric vehicles.

The ones who increase taxes for EVs are the anti-EV crowd, usually in the pocket of fossil fuel industry. But some also want all private cars off the road.

QuoteAs calculations for the current recovery of production in the United States showed, only 10-15% of the invested funds are private capital investments - the rest is taxpayers' money, and these investments doubled in 2022, reaching $ 190 billion.

Where do you get this nonsense? Provide numbers and sources. There isn't even enough set aside in the budget for that

QuoteWhere is your capitalism and market economy, about which your liberals in power are constantly trumpeting? It does not exist, in fact you already have a corrupt system, which puts some above others, with clearly leftist biases.

What? Liberals in different countries means different things. I know for example that Liberal in US is opposite of Liberal in Australia. I don't know what Liberal is in your country, but the ones who speak for capitalism as market economy in US aren't the liberals but the conservatives who is the right.

QuoteYou are thinking in the wrong way. People 100 or more years ago, were forced to think more carefully about their every word and more carefully monitored the observance of their dignity. The modern population, especially young people, is increasingly reminiscent of social animals, but not people. They don't have any dignity, they're all on a cattle on farm.
If  people 100 years ago saw how privacy and dignity are respected in modern youth (and what is cultivated and planted from above in their environment among them), most likely they would prefer to commit suicide rather than tolerate such interference and shamelessness in personal and public life. However, some of the youth (who were lucky to remain normal internally) in your country end up with exactly this, judging by the statistics.

lol, you are joking right? Your logic of morals is words used and not actions taken? I guess you probably think gasing millions of people in the Holocust was moral 80 years ago as long as there was an aoology and nice words?

The standard for morals has actually went up today than it was before. But freedom of speech and freedom of expression

Your complaints about youth behavior is nothing more than you being unfamiliar with the change of the times while romanticizing the past, nothing more. And I can prove it, here is a quote:

"We live in a decaying age. Young people no longer respect their parents. They are rude and impatient. They frequently inhabit taverns and have no self-control."

- Writing on a 6000 year old Egyptian tomb

"What is happening to our young people? They disrespect their elders, they disobey their parents. They ignore the law. They riot in the streets, inflamed with wild notions. Their morals are decaying. What is to become of them?"

- Plato (4th century BC)

"The young people of today think of nothing but themselves. They have no reverence for parents or old age. They are impatient of all restraint ... As for the girls, they are forward, immodest and unladylike in speech, behaviour and dress."

- Peter the Hermit (1274 AD)


It's called ephebiphobia

QuoteAll right. In a democracy, it is always the ordinary herd that wins in the end, not the educated class, which is always in the minority. Those. any country sooner or later again slides into ordinary national fascism under the slogans of populists, the most understandable to the uneducated majority. Russia is already there (and the second time in history, the first was at the beginning of the 20th century, when the populist Bolsheviks took advantage of the situation, and then created a slave-owning feudal state under false slogans, but most then believed them, as they now believe Putin and Xi (and a bunch of others dictators, which your "democrats" are quickly approaching in essence, although the "republicans", especially the upper elite, are no better), because it is hopelessly stupid and lazy to educate yourself with the opportunities that the Internet gives), you are very close. ..

People 100 years ago could still be justified for their ignorant choices, with a complete lack of information and manipulation. It is impossible to justify the modern majority. Not in Russia, not in China, not in Europe, not in the USA. All of them are fairly developed countries and 100% covered with Internet access. Soon much of Asia and Africa will also be unjustifiable. Like most residents of South America.

People have always been lazy, stupid and biased in their judgments, relying on the stupid faith that all sorts of crooks sell them (America is the most religious country in the world among the developed, which is paradoxical, even on your dollar it still says "In God We Trust "and in the courts people are asked to swear on the bible, which looks ridiculous in the 21st century), and not on rational, critical thinking, common sense and knowledge. It's easier for them to live this way, but there always comes a moment when "easier" turns into a massacre and mobilization for this massacre, to the cries of scoundrels about "patriotism" and "duty to the motherland", but really for the sake of the interests of the ruling kleptocratic classes.

Human nature doesn't change in 100 years, or a 1000 years. Maybe it will change a bit in 100,000 but even then... Unfortunately, everyone's dream is that the other political party disappears and they think they will finally get "freedom", not realizing what they will get is "tyranny". And truth is, everyone wants tyranny, just the tyranny of their own choosing. Of course the tyranny you think you chose and actually get may not be the same thing.

No matter how smart people are, they are still vulnerable to herd mentality. It's been proven that herd mentality drops people's IQ for better or for worse.

George Washington warned against political parties when he chose to not be a monarch and leave at end of his term but no one listened.

QuoteAgain demagogy in favor of the rich. With the existing model of the patent system in the world, imposed by the United States and its allies. No one can produce really advanced solutions. This is imperialism in its purest form, with the connivance of the local corrupt authorities, who agreed (involuntarily at first) to these unequal conditions. At the same time, the United States itself does not break up obvious monopolies into parts, pretending that there is no problem, but in this way I control the entire developing world. They could have until recently, but now their strength in this is quickly drying up against the background of obvious duplicity in their declarations and real actions.

Patents expire you know, and most patents are really just enforced in the western world. Hence China is known for not caring for US or EU patents.

QuoteSo far, the United States manages to maintain and destroy associations (I'm not talking about negative aspects, but positive trends, outside the perspective of totalitarian dictatorships) through the proxy control of the developing world, but soon you will all see how the United States will start an offensive war itself (they will be forced if the same Chinese will have enough strength and patience, although they are in a very bad state in reality), if there are smart enough and firm rulers to wait for this moment. The collapse of the United States is close as an empire, you just need to wait and not get involved. It may be tedious in terms of time, but it will inevitably happen - the US will simply turn into another regional power and nothing more.

Will the world be a better place after this сollapse US? It never gets better after the collapse of empires.  Time partially heals the wounds inflicted on societies, people quickly forget evil and even faster good, new generations. The inhabitants of past empires know all this, the Americans, as some fairly young community, will soon have to experience all this in their own skin.

I highly doubt there will be any major war, the existence of nukes has made wars between countries of nukes impossible other than proxy wars at best.

QuoteLike your last speech, for some reason you ended this one with another nonsense ...

Then can you explain why you want everyone to move from modular reusable parts to soldered embedded platforms where we create more waste and need more mining?

By the way, here is what the research scientists think (and what I suspected, based on the real dishonesty of most of the business) about the life of your solar panels:
sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2590174523000594#f0030

Quote from: A on June 10, 2023, 00:07:38Your logic is flawed, just cause Norway isn't the coldest place on earth doesn't mean it doesn't get extremely cold.

It is your logic that is absurdly primordial. It happens and all the time it's different things, don't you think?

How many truly cold days a year are there in Norway, where the bulk of the population really lives, compared to, for example, Siberia?

Quote from: A on June 10, 2023, 00:07:38Brands do vary sure. Standards also vary. Though many chemical disputes are generally special interest.

It is obvious that the highest quality options for goods come to the US and the EU, to other countries on a residual basis. And thanks to the endless printing of the main (still) reserve currencies of the world - the dollar and the euro, the authorities can, by spreading the inflation of their fiat candy wrappers all over the planet, subsidize implicitly better goods and their supplies to their countries.

If the whole planet lived more fairly (and this primarily depends on the more "advanced" Westerners who deliberately do not pay attention to global corruption and manipulation, because all this is beneficial for them, for non-residents of developing countries, it happened historically and it is their moral obligation to act contrary to their own benefit in such a way that they show duplicity in public declarations about the protection of decency, human rights, etc. nonsense in favor of idiots whom they are still able to deceive, mostly stupid youth in third countries world, who do not understand how the dirty world really works), then Americans and Europeans would live 3 times poorer than now and there would be no question of any electric cars - even cars with internal combustion engines would be a luxury for them.

Quote from: A on June 10, 2023, 00:07:38The weight difference is only about 10% and shrinking as they move away from ICE platforms towards more EV optimized platforms. But since their weight distribution tends to be more even than ICE cars, the weight per axle is much less. That said, most of the harm to roadwars isn't really cars but semi trucks

The reality is that the authorities of the most thinking states no longer think so, and have increased the vehicle tax not by 10%, but at times for electric vehicles.

Quote from: A on June 10, 2023, 00:07:38Most of these subsidies are tax breaks than giving out cash. As for your question, same reason why we bailed out the gasoline car industry from bankruptcy. To insure local jobs. China is already heavily subsidizing their production so that they can dominate the world market. A nation would have to be brain dead to hand over everything and not see the end result.

As calculations for the current recovery of production in the United States showed, only 10-15% of the invested funds are private capital investments - the rest is taxpayers' money, and these investments doubled in 2022, reaching $ 190 billion.

Where is your capitalism and market economy, about which your liberals in power are constantly trumpeting? It does not exist, in fact you already have a corrupt system, which puts some above others, with clearly leftist biases.

Quote from: A on June 10, 2023, 00:07:38That's what you think because the past is romanticized. 100 years ago it was still considered civil for 1st world countries to have children working in factories. Most places still didn't consider women as equals.

You are thinking in the wrong way. People 100 or more years ago, were forced to think more carefully about their every word and more carefully monitored the observance of their dignity. The modern population, especially young people, is increasingly reminiscent of social animals, but not people. They don't have any dignity, they're all on a cattle on farm.
If  people 100 years ago saw how privacy and dignity are respected in modern youth (and what is cultivated and planted from above in their environment among them), most likely they would prefer to commit suicide rather than tolerate such interference and shamelessness in personal and public life. However, some of the youth (who were lucky to remain normal internally) in your country end up with exactly this, judging by the statistics.

Quote from: A on June 10, 2023, 00:07:38The winners write history.

All right. In a democracy, it is always the ordinary herd that wins in the end, not the educated class, which is always in the minority. Those. any country sooner or later again slides into ordinary national fascism under the slogans of populists, the most understandable to the uneducated majority. Russia is already there (and the second time in history, the first was at the beginning of the 20th century, when the populist Bolsheviks took advantage of the situation, and then created a slave-owning feudal state under false slogans, but most then believed them, as they now believe Putin and Xi (and a bunch of others dictators, which your "democrats" are quickly approaching in essence, although the "republicans", especially the upper elite, are no better), because it is hopelessly stupid and lazy to educate yourself with the opportunities that the Internet gives), you are very close. ..

People 100 years ago could still be justified for their ignorant choices, with a complete lack of information and manipulation. It is impossible to justify the modern majority. Not in Russia, not in China, not in Europe, not in the USA. All of them are fairly developed countries and 100% covered with Internet access. Soon much of Asia and Africa will also be unjustifiable. Like most residents of South America.

People have always been lazy, stupid and biased in their judgments, relying on the stupid faith that all sorts of crooks sell them (America is the most religious country in the world among the developed, which is paradoxical, even on your dollar it still says "In God We Trust "and in the courts people are asked to swear on the bible, which looks ridiculous in the 21st century), and not on rational, critical thinking, common sense and knowledge. It's easier for them to live this way, but there always comes a moment when "easier" turns into a massacre and mobilization for this massacre, to the cries of scoundrels about "patriotism" and "duty to the motherland", but really for the sake of the interests of the ruling kleptocratic classes.

Quote from: A on June 10, 2023, 00:07:38Anyone can produce solar panels, wind turbines and EVs. All materials are fairly common and recyclable. But fossil fuels can only be found in limited places and are usually controlled by government granted monopolies and given to select elites. And demand is only going to go up when population goes up, and supply is not going to grow faster than you burning more and more of it. The writing is on the wall one way or another.

Again demagogy in favor of the rich. With the existing model of the patent system in the world, imposed by the United States and its allies. No one can produce really advanced solutions. This is imperialism in its purest form, with the connivance of the local corrupt authorities, who agreed (involuntarily at first) to these unequal conditions. At the same time, the United States itself does not break up obvious monopolies into parts, pretending that there is no problem, but in this way I control the entire developing world. They could have until recently, but now their strength in this is quickly drying up against the background of obvious duplicity in their declarations and real actions.

So far, the United States manages to maintain and destroy associations (I'm not talking about negative aspects, but positive trends, outside the perspective of totalitarian dictatorships) through the proxy control of the developing world, but soon you will all see how the United States will start an offensive war itself (they will be forced if the same Chinese will have enough strength and patience, although they are in a very bad state in reality), if there are smart enough and firm rulers to wait for this moment. The collapse of the United States is close as an empire, you just need to wait and not get involved. It may be tedious in terms of time, but it will inevitably happen - the US will simply turn into another regional power and nothing more.

Will the world be a better place after this сollapse US? It never gets better after the collapse of empires.  Time partially heals the wounds inflicted on societies, people quickly forget evil and even faster good, new generations. The inhabitants of past empires know all this, the Americans, as some fairly young community, will soon have to experience all this in their own skin.

Quote from: A on June 10, 2023, 00:07:38So long story short, you are okay with it as long as it makes you happy? And you want others to follow in to footsteps of hurting the 3rd world more to make you happy.

Like your last speech, for some reason you ended this one with another nonsense ...

Quote from: NikoB on June 09, 2023, 22:47:42You need to visit Siberia or Mongolia to find out what real cold is. Norway in comparison with them is subtropics. Not to mention other factors.

Your logic is flawed, just cause Norway isn't the coldest place on earth doesn't mean it doesn't get extremely cold.

QuoteEverything is much simpler - the quality of goods supplied to the US/EU(West part) and third world countries differs from brands. There have already been disputes even on products and household chemicals between Western and Eastern Europe.

Brands do vary sure. Standards also vary. Though many chemical disputes are generally special interest.

QuoteNothing like that - in cold climates, batteries need to be replaced much more often, apart from the fact that electric cars are already more expensive and the transport tax, when everyone realizes that they destroy the roadway, will be higher everywhere than for cars with ICE.

Nope, actually colder weather is better for the battery lifespan. Batteries have more issues with high heat than the cold as far as lifespan goes. The only time a battery is at risk in the cold is if it gets to 0% (not the 0% on your readout but internally) and left alone a long long time in the cold. Even then, that battery can be brought back to life.

The damage to road would be same as ICE cars. The weight difference is only about 10% and shrinking as they move away from ICE platforms towards more EV optimized platforms. But since their weight distribution tends to be more even than ICE cars, the weight per axle is much less. That said, most of the harm to roadwars isn't really cars but semi trucks

QuoteThe population of China is almost 5 times that of the United States. This is not an indicator. But the population is 5 times poorer. So sales go only among those who are able to earn money for an electric car, i.e. export sector.

China bought as many EVs as entire world combined, not just US. On top of that be aware not everyone in China can buy cars. Of course do note the EVs sold in China are often times not the same as ones sold in US. Aka, you really can't export them as they won't be street legal on US roads, you would have to get a special exception. Many of them are also like Kei cars which aren't liked in the US. The most popular EV in China sells for like 4k.

QuoteWithout full calculations, this is all speculation.

There is full calculations, many studies are done on these things.

QuoteFresh legend ... only if all this is not done with taxpayers' money for subsidies from the budget, as is the case with electronics. Why can't they develop production in the USA on their own?

Most of these subsidies are tax breaks than giving out cash. As for your question, same reason why we bailed out the gasoline car industry from bankruptcy. To insure local jobs. China is already heavily subsidizing their production so that they can dominate the world market. A nation would have to be brain dead to hand over everything and not see the end result.

Part of the reason why Putin thought he could get away with attacking Ukraine is precisely because of how much oil and gas he was exporting to Europe. During 2020, he intentionally continued oil production with the saudis to bring down oil prices during covid and bankrupt US oil companies. Once the covid recovery started, shortages were predicted. He figured he'd take Ukraine in 3 days and Europe would turn a blind eye in fear of having their oil and gas shut off during the shortages for the covid recovery. Aka, being overly reliant on hostile nations for your supply chain is a national security issue

QuoteNot at all, morals have definitely plummeted in 100 years.

That's what you think because the past is romanticized. 100 years ago it was still considered civil for 1st world countries to have children working in factories. Most places still didn't consider women as equals.

It's like everyone remembers the good things about Henry Ford, but forgets he went bankrupt a few times before he finally succeeded, or the fact that he supported the nazis.

The winners write history.

QuoteOf course they lose, as they do now - Americans drive sparkling cars in their clean suburbs, and in China there is nothing to breathe in vast territories, as in India. But they have to survive, because the Western capitalists(with politicans) agreed with their totalitarian authorities, not paying attention to Tiananmen 1989 and the rest, as in neighboring backward countries. Money doesn't smell...

They only return it because incomes in China have grown 4 times in 17 years, so the most notorious predators do not have such super profits. And the political reasons are there only to cover up mercantile interests, or rather their partial disappearance.

And that is why these countries have the most to benefit as well from going to EVs and renewable energy.

But the fossil fuel industry who has ruled this world for the last century is doing whatever it takes to stop it to protect their profits.

Anyone can produce solar panels, wind turbines and EVs. All materials are fairly common and recyclable. But fossil fuels can only be found in limited places and are usually controlled by government granted monopolies and given to select elites. And demand is only going to go up when population goes up, and supply is not going to grow faster than you burning more and more of it. The writing is on the wall one way or another.

This is why the future of much renewable tech and EVs is going to be razor thing margins as it is much more difficult to control than fossil fuels.

QuoteYou apparently are not able to read what is written, especially repeatedly. Apple is brought to me, not because I like their solutions and I'm a fan of Apple, but because it is today a technology leader.

So long story short, you are okay with it as long as it makes you happy? And you want others to follow in to footsteps of hurting the 3rd world more to make you happy.

Quote from: A on June 09, 2023, 19:58:19They live on the arctic circle, it gets cold as hell there

You need to visit Siberia or Mongolia to find out what real cold is. Norway in comparison with them is subtropics. Not to mention other factors.

Quote from: A on June 09, 2023, 19:58:19I mean your electric service is unstable, power surges, frequency issues, and/or brownouts

Everything is much simpler - the quality of goods supplied to the US/EU(West part) and third world countries differs from brands. There have already been disputes even on products and household chemicals between Western and Eastern Europe.

Quote from: A on June 09, 2023, 19:58:19The wear and tear on the battery from heating is marginal at best. And there is no maintenance costs on batteries, they are virtually 0 maintenance.

Nothing like that - in cold climates, batteries need to be replaced much more often, apart from the fact that electric cars are already more expensive and the transport tax, when everyone realizes that they destroy the roadway, will be higher everywhere than for cars with ICE.

Quote from: A on June 09, 2023, 19:58:19But again, most EVs sold are in China. So it works fine for the developing world

The population of China is almost 5 times that of the United States. This is not an indicator. But the population is 5 times poorer. So sales go only among those who are able to earn money for an electric car, i.e. export sector.

Quote from: A on June 09, 2023, 19:58:19The break even of environmental impact of an EV made in US vs an ICE car is only 1 year

Without full calculations, this is all speculation.

Quote from: A on June 09, 2023, 19:58:19The IRA is bringing mining and processing back to America.

Fresh legend ... only if all this is not done with taxpayers' money for subsidies from the budget, as is the case with electronics. Why can't they develop production in the USA on their own?

Quote from: A on June 09, 2023, 19:58:19Only thing that has changes is easier access to information

Not at all, morals have definitely plummeted in 100 years.

Quote from: A on June 09, 2023, 19:58:19The 3rd world has the most to lose from climate change

Of course they lose, as they do now - Americans drive sparkling cars in their clean suburbs, and in China there is nothing to breathe in vast territories, as in India. But they have to survive, because the Western capitalists(with politicans) agreed with their totalitarian authorities, not paying attention to Tiananmen 1989 and the rest, as in neighboring backward countries. Money doesn't smell...

They only return it because incomes in China have grown 4 times in 17 years, so the most notorious predators do not have such super profits. And the political reasons are there only to cover up mercantile interests, or rather their partial disappearance.

Quote from: A on June 09, 2023, 19:58:19Even in your other threads you put preference for going into soldered ARM stuff where if 1 thing breaks you throw it all into the trash over being able to have modular components

You apparently are not able to read what is written, especially repeatedly. Apple is brought to me, not because I like their solutions and I'm a fan of Apple, but because it is today a technology leader.

Quote from: NikoB on June 09, 2023, 16:01:33225-245V.

I mean your electric service is unstable, power surges, frequency issues, and/or brownouts

QuoteAnd now you are giving away the situation in the main country of the world (which really won the Second
World War and the Cold War due to the intelligence and cunning of those generations, but you no longer have the same new ones in terms of level), which lives at someone else's expense on credit (i.e. .incomes of the population are 2-2.5 times higher than they should be in terms of their real productivity due to credit pumping of the entire economy with printed candy wrappers and seigniorage of the dollar as the international main settlement currency, fortunately - it begins to lose its role in the world and soon you will have to tighten your belts ) for the total.

In my country the price difference is 8-10 times between incandescent and LED with 80% CRI. Lamps with 95% cost another 4-6 times more. Their reliability is written by me above. They just don't pay off before they burn out due to the artificial aging elements embedded in them.


We have never had and never will have such prices, they are 4-5 times higher.

You seem to be going on a rampage without actually grasping what you have going on. Just like CA, much of Europe adds other things like Social Services to your electricity rates that are unrelated. Because it is easier to put them there than raise taxes. And when you have higher electricity rates, manufacturers are on purpose keeping your LED prices higher.

It's like when I added solar panels to my house, my city has extra tax credits and higher electricity rate. Because of that, the cost to install solar for me was higher than those who live a few miles away. Of course after tax credits and due to having higher electricity my payback time is faster. But upfront my costs were higher.

QuoteYou are lying, most of the dirty industries of the West are concentrated in third world countries. And it's done on purpose.

You have no clue what you are talking about do you? Best selling EVs here in US is Tesla. They recycle them at the Nevada gigafactory. There are also 3rd party recyclers like Kingsbury and etc. US even opened a brand new huge recycling factory in Georgia (USA)

Just cause plastic is sent to be recycled elsewhere doesn't mean everything is

Quote1. They don't have a cold climate. The cold climate is where it is stable in winter -10C and below.

They live on the arctic circle, it gets cold as hell there

Quote2. For people with such incomes, the increased maintenance costs of batteries that work for increased wear and tear for the sake of heating are simply nothing compared to incomes in third world countries - where electric vehicles could really improve the environment by orders of magnitude. But they are not available to their residents, neither in price nor in the price of service.

The wear and tear on the battery from heating is marginal at best. And there is no maintenance costs on batteries, they are virtually 0 maintenance.

As for 3rd world countries, all new tech takes time to go down in price. But again, most EVs sold are in China. So it works fine for the developing world

QuoteThe cost of creation (in terms of climate impact and in energy resources) and disposal is much worse than for cars with internal combustion engines / diesel engines.

The break even of environmental impact of an EV made in US vs an ICE car is only 1 year

QuoteYes, Americans leave the dirtiest and least environmentally friendly in the third world countries, thanks to bribery, corruption and the promotion of prosperity for the families of local kleptocracies in the US and the EU.

The IRA is bringing mining and processing back to America.

QuoteEven now, when there is a war in Ukraine and every day hundreds of Ukrainians are killed, children, wives, lovers, parents, relatives of the direct beneficiaries of the Putin regime quietly ride and relax in Europe and the USA, I constantly publish in "Instgrams" how cheerful and carefree vacation. And EU/US officials deliberately do not let real fighters against bloody totalitarian regimes, and sometimes they meanly deport (as was the case with a man from Chechnya, who was expelled from France and was killed in Chechnya) to Russia/Belarus/China and etc. (remember, at least " police stations" of China in the EU/US), where they are simply killed. The collusion between the powerful kleptocracies of the West and totalitarian regimes is obvious to anyone in 2023. Especially after 2022 with the "covid" scam and from 2022 even to complete idiots, everything has become so obvious and lies in the palm of your hand if at least a couple of convolutions work in brain.

Recently, despite all the EU sanctions, the Russian Minister of Energy (who directly provides production and uninterrupted profits for the war machine) quietly had fun in Vienna, formally arriving at an OPEC meeting, which has nothing to do with Europe, on a government aircraft of the Russian Federation, which are formally banned flights to the EU and USA. At the same time, by the way, the West pretends that everything is fine when Asian / Eastern airlines fly to them through Russia. Chinese, Indian. It got to the point recently that your American airlines demanded that the authorities drastically increase fees from these companies in order to level the playing field, because they have to fly past Russia, which occupies 1/5 of the land on Earth.

I cited all this on purpose to show the degree of the moral decline of the West as a whole, even against the political and moral background. And production and business have never bothered with this. And now they don't bother, continuing to work in Russia, China and a bunch of totalitarian countries, as if nothing had happened. Blood money doesn't smell, right? Profit is more important...

Why do they need dirty and more expensive production in the US / EU, if they can continue to keep them in countries that are cheap in labor force and with primitive environmental laws, giving bribes?

There is no moral decline, morals have always been like this. Only thing that has changes is easier access to information

But can you really claim the moral high ground? The 3rd world has the most to lose from climate change, yet you attack EVs which would significantly reduce climate impact due to your selfish personal preference for ICE cars. Even in your other threads you put preference for going into soldered ARM stuff where if 1 thing breaks you throw it all into the trash over being able to have modular components