Quote from: Hotz on June 14, 2023, 16:39:58

Quote from: NikoB on June 14, 2023, 15:57:05It's not funny, but the memory bandwidth of this model with DDR5 4800 is almost the same as the L5Pro with 7745HX was in May, to the complete shame of Lenovo.

Frankly, that's mostly irrelevant with a dedicated GPU. Practically all tests have shown that RAM does not matter, as everything is loaded onto the VRAM. That's also why it's ridiculous when people with a high end GPU buy expensive RGB-Skillzor-Special-Uber-RAM, believing they gain any improvement. They don't.

It's a comletely different story on APUs however, because the system RAM is used by both iGPU and system. And it has be shown, that faster RAM makes worlds difference.

Fast memory is the response speed in the system and software. The ability to serve multiple devices at the same time. At the moment, RAM on the x86 platform is 3-6 times slower than on Apple.

What's the point of paying for Lenovo 5600 if it works like 4800 and even worse?

In this version with the outdated Zen3+, 4800 is at least understandable, but the problem is that Asus puts it in this series on the top R9 7940HS at a price almost 2 times higher.

I would understand if they put 32GB DDR5 4800 or 16Gb DDR5 5600.

Wozu braucht man noch die teurere Notebooks? Nur um noch mal zu wissen, daß die Hersteller dort nur "den Ast absägen" können?

Quote from: NikoB on June 14, 2023, 15:57:05It's not funny, but the memory bandwidth of this model with DDR5 4800 is almost the same as the L5Pro with 7745HX was in May, to the complete shame of Lenovo.

Frankly, that's mostly irrelevant with a dedicated GPU. Practically all tests have shown that RAM does not matter, as everything is loaded onto the VRAM. That's also why it's ridiculous when people with a high end GPU buy expensive RGB-Skillzor-Special-Uber-RAM, believing they gain any improvement. They don't.

It's a comletely different story on APUs however, because the system RAM is used by both iGPU and system. And it has be shown, that faster RAM makes worlds difference.

Quote from: NikoB on June 14, 2023, 15:57:05In general, there is already A16 with Zen4 Phoenix and it has been on sale in our stores for a long time (a month) with 7940HS, but it is not popular among buyers, due to the monstrous price already close to $ 2000 (especially considering that you will have to immediately throw it out mentally outdated factory 16GB DDR5 4800 from Asus and install DDR5 5600 16+16, which in any case will immediately bring the price of the laptop to almost $2000) bundled with a weak 4070 for new releases of games.

Sorry, typo - A15 of course with a 15.6 2.5k 16:9 screen, which is very small for today both for games and for work.

There would be an excellent office worker with 18 "4k@120Hz (with the same contrast, it is necessary, if this is of course true, taking into account the visibility of the darkest shades - and this is the manufacturers' favorite cheat, which is ignored in NB reviews and of course the real response is no more than 8ms on G2G / B2W ), plus a better keyboard, plus a couple more ports on the right (I would like the power plug on the back, because now it blocks the exhaust on the left). And of course with an upgrade to Zen4 Phoenix, because Zen3+ is obsolete. At the same levels PL1/PL2.

Other purposes of buying it are not clear to me - the screen is too small, and a priori it is no longer suitable for games.

It's not funny, but the memory bandwidth of this model with DDR5 4800 is almost the same as the L5Pro with 7745HX was in May, to the complete shame of Lenovo. And there is no USB40, also to the shame of Lenovo, although there and there - there is no 100% built-in USB40 controller (it is only in Zen4 Phoenix according to AMD specifications).

In general, there is already A16 with Zen4 Phoenix and it has been on sale in our stores for a long time (a month) with 7940HS, but it is not popular among buyers, due to the monstrous price already close to $ 2000 (especially considering that you will have to immediately throw it out mentally outdated factory 16GB DDR5 4800 from Asus and install DDR5 5600 16+16, which in any case will immediately bring the price of the laptop to almost $2000) bundled with a weak 4070 for new releases of games.

And again, with Zen4 Phoenix, people already want 17.3-18" 16:10 4k@120Hz with a response of no more than 7-8ms on G2G / B2W, and not at all miserable 2.5k in the 16" version. This series is clearly not for frequent carrying, but home, office, and here weight means little - a large diagonal screen with high ppi is important, for filigree fonts for work and an ideal picture in 4k/fhd resolution. What neither fhd nor 2.5k panels a priori can give.

Again, Asus marketers have a problem with targeting.

They don't understand the target audience well. Like Lenovo marketers with 2022, who have the biggest sales failure among the top 5 manufacturers and the loss of first place, immediately falling into third...

"Basisversion wird ohne Betriebssystem ausgeliefert"

Ist doch super, solange der Preis dann entsprechend geringer ist.
Dann zahlt man nicht für ein Windows, wenn man es doch nicht braucht.

Ich fände es toll, wenn es die Option öfter geben würde.