Wildy noisy - yeah if you pump it on turbo mode lol. Set it in meeting mode, or even normal and do not game and it will be as quiet as this garbage of a laptop. Should you need umph, then you can push it...something you could not do with this machine.

The only really valid point is AMOLED PWM. If one is sensitive, then should avoid. Otherwise no problem at all.

Quote from: Soks on May 03, 2023, 11:36:19this laptop is terribly overpriced. You could almost buy a prosumer laptop with 3070ti/12700h for the price (like AERO16 for the 15% more). Battery life would not be worse, screen would be similar or even better. Gaming/prosumer/creator laptop would be slightly  louder under medium loads (and much louder under heavy), but a lot quicker.

AERO with flawed keyboard (with destroyed numpad) and flickering AMOLED? And besides, wildly noisy? Who wants this garbage?

HP made a stupid laptop, everything is described above, but Gigabyte is even worse, except for games, but we are discussing a business series, not a gaming gadget.

this laptop is terribly overpriced. You could almost buy a prosumer laptop with 3070ti/12700h for the price (like AERO16 for the 15% more). Battery life would not be worse, screen would be similar or even better. Gaming/prosumer/creator laptop would be slightly  louder under medium loads (and much louder under heavy), but a lot quicker.

To make it clearer to inexperienced laymen the essence of my complaints about this model written above, I specially cite a fresh review from the same site on Thinkpad P14s, priced at 1500 euros - notebookcheck.com/Test-Lenovo-ThinkPad-P14s-G3-AMD-Laptop-Workstation-Leichtgewicht-ohne-dGPU.700028.0.html

By screen:
1. contrast - in P14s 1948:1, and this is a matte screen, and not a monstrously glare glossy screen in HP, which should give contrast MORE than matte. HP has a measly 987:1, i.e. 2(!) times worse.
2. Brightness - in P14s ~ 430 nit, in HP 385 nit and this is again on a glossy panel!

CPU performance:
For P14s with AMD 6850U (in a much smaller package and weight of radiators!) - In CBR15 - 1750+ points, for HP with i7 1255U shameful ~1350 points, i.e. almost 23% worse!

Noise of the cooling system:
Y in P14s 23/23/23/30.8(medium load). HP 26.5/28.9/28.9/29.7/39.5. Those. even outside the gaming load with 2050 HP is much noisier, despite the fact that it loses significantly in terms of processor performance and has a huge and heavy case compared to P14s!

Need more comments to understand how bad HP's 2000 euro model is? And even 1500 it is clearly not worth it?

The only plus of the HP model is the 4k panel, which gives the best picture in static (retail price for this panels in stock ~130-140$). But it is clearly not worth the money, given all the shortcomings described...

Let's start with the screen, because we have to look at it for many hours and for years! What do we see?
1. Glossy terribly glare screen.
2. Despite the fact that the screen is glossy(!) the shameful contrast is below 1000:1! Although the minimum we expect from a glossy screen is 2000:1+ in 2023!
3. The response time is obviously measured incorrectly. BOE simply doesn't have 4k@60hz panels with that small time of response (nor for B2W, nor for G2G). At best сase it is 25-30ms.
4. Terrible backlight uniformity - only 86%, although we expect more than 92-93+%.
5. Low brightness, resulting in no HDR400 support (as minimum) in 2023.

Go ahead, go to the ports:
1. There is no RJ45 port for 2.5-5Gbps in the obviously office/home (damn it's 17.3"  with a lot of weight!) model. For a business series, this is generally nonsense! In offices, no one connects via Wi-Fi for security reasons!
2. If you look at using it at home, for example, on sofas and beds, there will be obvious problems for left-handed people due to the idiotic usb-c power connector sticking out perpendicular to the body. HP stop this stupid newfangled practice of "optimizing" power ports! Do like Acer in the Aspire/Travelmate series and HP G8 855 earlier - 2 power sockets - one reliable round one with an angled power plug (from the very edge - left or right, it doesn't matter), or make a power plug with usb-c port but it strictly on back of laptop.
3. Again, from the point of view of right-handers, the audio port is located correctly on left, but again, if you use an angled plug, which some headphone models do not provide, which forces you to buy an adapter. But what about lefties? It's inconvenient for them. Though they are a minority on the planet. Why is it a pity for you to put 2 audio sockets on the left and right, especially since they often fail and the second one will be a backup, and connecting a quad system of 2 pairs of analog speakers will be much easier. Why did laptops 15 years ago have up to 3 universal audio ports (interchangeable in function - line-in / output / microphone / headphones), plus an optical spdif port built into one of them, and now even 2 separately on the left and right, the problem is not cheap laptop, and models for 2000 euros?!

Go to the processor - for 2000 euros, it is completely weak in performance for 2022/2023. At the same time, the cooling system is inadequately noisy with "15W" TDP SoC in case of 17.3"! Although with Intel and their infamous 10nm+++++++..., it's obvious.

The question immediately arises - for such a price, it was quite possible to put  6800H/6900HX there. Why not AMD? After all, HP, according to old series, has priority access to bulk purchases on AMD, judging by past years.

About keyboard:
Again stupid savings on matches in a laptop for 2000 euros! What idiot in development and design (fire him/her!) came up with the power button to put in the main block next to the backspace? And the keyboard is again truncated by the narrowed by height for keys Esc, F1..F12. Why, if there is so much space on the case for a full-fledged one?

The cooling system must not exhaust to the screen panel, because. all new panels have a critical temperature of only 50C! Which can lead to premature failure of the panel.
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As a result, we have an unfinished, really idiotic, in ergonomics and design, laptop, with a clearly bad screen, the purpose of buying which (as well as the target mass audience - otherwise why this series?) Is not clear to me. Аnd industry are still wondering why all manufacturers are huge losing of sales..
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HP, we, potential buyers, are waiting for a modified version from you:
1. with matte 4k@120Hz with full support for VRR from 30Hz (real response time no more than 8-9ms on G2G/B2W) and native contrast ratio of 1500:1+, brightness of 500+ nits with HDR400 support and viewing angles of 178/178 (for example, Lenovo supplies such screens to Legion Slim 2021, but, alas, with slow response time)
2. A normal full-fledged keyboard (key travel of 2mm, of course, leave) with full-sized keys in height and width and a separate power button. It is desirable to have RGB backlighting for each key separately. in many programs this is a real advantage.
3. USB-c power port on the back or good old angled power plug, for the comfort of both right-handers and left-handers.
4. RJ45 port for 2.5(5Gbps+ is preferable) is MANDATORY and there is enough space for it on case, if you do a normal redesign of the model similarly to the Thinkbook 16p from Lenovo (unfortunately, the latter simply not made the 17.3" models and no 18" for home and office use).
5. We don't need weak and hot Intel (until it goes to <="3nm") - give us Zen3+/Zen4 Phoenix chips. And of course, instead of TB4 ports, there are 2 USB40 ports with similar functionality, including eGPU support and 40Gbps video traffic tunneling. We wait for DP2.0+ with full 80Gbps  + TB5 120Gbps or USB40 2.0 (80Gbps).
6. The cooling system must not exhaust to the screen panel (50C+ temperature for newest panel is critical limit!). A complete redesign is needed, and of course without hot SoCs from Intel.