Are there more details available about battery life? The respective section from the review appears to be incomplete.

How does it compare to the Strix G16, for instance, or to Strix G17?

Plus re the RAM issues, the reason DDR5 4800 was chosen instead of higher speed modules is to not add more heat to an already-overheating RAM bank system. The modules must stay under a very low power usage in order to avoid instability, which is already very difficult for configurations of more than 32GB. XMG has stated they are working with suppliers to order specially binned RAM which can help avoid overheating to work at higher speeds.

Quote from: SuperSuppenkasper on March 15, 2023, 23:02:17But considering the insane power draw, the acceptable gpu temp and the fan noise of 51 db, this is not bad. Fan noise is way too loud for mee, but I would be fine with 180-200 watts of total system power. This should drop temps and fan noise by a lot.

TDP is actually configurable on the laptop within Windows. Setting the CPU to 55W and disabling GPU dynamic boost results in a total draw of at most 205W. The laptop is still quite loud on air at this setting; however, it's far from unbearable, and the laptop basically goes dead silent while on liquid even though core temps are decent either way.

Also remember that for gaming, capping the FPS at 120 at the native resolution usually ends up with a total draw of under 200W with a 4090 GPU, since neither the CPU or GPU has to work 100% to reach that framerate.

This is not produced by Clevo, but Tongfang. According to their website they call it IDN.

"a laptop shouldn't have to rely on an optional accessory for optimal cooling"

Fully agree on this! Don't know why some readers here complain about the lack of testing the water cooler. Water cooling is the wrong way. Manufacturers should not rely on such external stuff.

This is a laptop aka a somewhat portable all in one computer. I prefer a slightly thicker and heavier chassis instead of having to carry an additional ugly box with distilled water and thick tubes in a second bag with me. LOL

Air cooling seems to be pretty good nonetheless. 300 watts on Witcher is insanely high. 80 degC on the GPU are okay, 97 degC on the CPU are not. But considering the insane power draw, the acceptable gpu temp and the fan noise of 51 db, this is not bad. Fan noise is way too loud for mee, but I would be fine with 180-200 watts of total system power. This should drop temps and fan noise by a lot.

What is the chassis on this Laptop, on German is the XMG, UK is the 17 Recoil. We know this is built by Clevo. Can someone tell me what is the chassis for the Clevo?

Also I would like to add, this test was done on air, but the liquid cooler did not noticeably lower temps. CPU and GPU were also near 100 deg C at the hot spot but no noticeable throttling below sustained power limits (75W CPU + 150-175W GPU) was exhibited.

I have the CyberPowerPC version of the Mech 16-GP and Neo 16. During P95 + Furmark with P95 set to the memory stress setting, I saw as high as 90 deg C RAM temp with a single 8GB stick and as high as 120 deg C RAM temp with two 32GB sticks, all of DDR5-4800 (shortly before a number of system crashes due to RAM instability). My system seems to be OK now, but there's no way that's good for the RAM. During normal system usage (including gaming), the RAM is anywhere between 60 and 85 degrees C.

Does the Mech 17-GP2 exhibit this behavior?

Quote from: Watercooling laptop on March 13, 2023, 16:04:48I'm super annoyed you didn't provide the watercooled performance data. I love how you write it off with oh laptops don't need watercooling... I see everyone else's comments about noise heat and performance but I know the author is aware that performance is 10 to 15 percent better with watercooling enabled on beast mode and that noise is about as quiet as a laptop gets when it's watercooled. Oh and Temps are great when it's water cooled in beast mode... and what's with the slow ram why didn't you pick the good stuff off the website?

It was provided, so it's not the reviewer's fault it had slow RAM. It's silly, because 5600MT/s ram adds a lot of performance at minimal markup. As does the LPP

I'm with you on watercooling, the reviewer is flat wrong. It's brilliant for a performance laptop. I did my own hybrid instantly-detachable WC mod years ago on a beast 6kg 2 inch thick Clevo P870 and it reduced 60dBa of fans that can be heard from the other end of the house, to medium at most (no more noise cancelling headphones), and removed all thermal throttles even when benching 2x >200W GPUs and a 4.9ghz 9900K. I had all the 3dmark records for 9900K/1080M SLI on the first day of testing with meh RAM and no tweaking, I still have the FS Ultra #1 3 years later, it's that much better than just air. It completely transforms the experience when it's docked on my main desk. And this hardware looks like it will be more portable without sacrificing performance, which is what I've been waiting for.

Also specific to Eluktronics is the enthusiast Prema BIOS. If you want a unit to tinker and tweak and extract best possible performance, his modded BIOSes are the best option for that. It's really important for a reviewer to mention this.
If this unit does have PremaBIOS, then these results are far better than what you'd get on a stock unit from a cheaper reseller.
If this unit doesn't (early? Prerelease?) then expect even bigger performance margins between it and every other model left in its wake

I'm super annoyed you didn't provide the watercooled performance data. I love how you write it off with oh laptops don't need watercooling... I see everyone else's comments about noise heat and performance but I know the author is aware that performance is 10 to 15 percent better with watercooling enabled on beast mode and that noise is about as quiet as a laptop gets when it's watercooled. Oh and Temps are great when it's water cooled in beast mode... and what's with the slow ram why didn't you pick the good stuff off the website?

The Recoil VII from PCSpecialist in the UK looks like it uses the same chassis and motherboard. Though apparently the display does not have g-sync, it is comfortability the best price point for the UK market at around £700-1000 cheaper then the XMG.

Though I am very concerned about the throttling issue or rather the seeming lack of throttling, there was a forum post on pcs from someone who has already bought it who was also crashing. I wonder if this is something they can fix...

These machines have a DDR5 6400 option directly from the maker, if you order from them.

The 1080P performance numbers dominate the GT77 which makes me wonder what is going on here?

Why is it getting 159fps in Cyberpunk Ultra 1080P, while the MSI GT77 is getting like 90fps lol.

Is the slower 13900HX CPU running on a less cancerous firmware? And this provides better performance? Or is the DDR5 tuned 6400 providing these results? Also, why is the RTX4090 overclocked already? It's at 600+ GB bandwidth, which tells me the RTX4090 must be OCed slightly.

Very fast machine nonetheless. But I still really want a MSI GT77 Titan, I just don't wanna pay for it lol.

Goldfinger can you put your system completely silent for HI-FI sound/cinema via those Bios modes?  The laptop would not be making any other processing effort just playing music or video.

No fancy cooling, that would be too expensive and inconvenient.

I fully agree with this comment.
I see other reviews on this website, which compare different profiles like "quiet", "balanced", "turbo" etc. So, it is possible to do it. 
Also, another commenter said, it is possible to adjust CPU and GPU TDPs. If this is the case, how come it is not mentioned here?

Quote from: RobertJasiek on March 09, 2023, 22:41:07Before the test, I have wondered whether Eluktronics Mech-17 GP2 and XMG Neo 17 E23 are sufficiently silent or too loud under Furmark-like GPU load. After the test, I wonder the same.

The test fails to clarify whether or not these notebooks are worth buying. The Balanced fan mode or 2/3 TDP of the GPU might be suitable but the test does not tell us its application speeds and dB values. We only learn that the Performance mode is too loud with 50-51dB.

From the test alone, I must conclude not to buy these notebooks. However, maybe the Balanced mode is good so that I could buy them?

Allen Ngo fails to enable my purchase decision. His test misses the central question.

Quote from: RobertJasiek on March 09, 2023, 22:41:07Before the test, I have wondered whether Eluktronics Mech-17 GP2 and XMG Neo 17 E23 are sufficiently silent or too loud under Furmark-like GPU load. After the test, I wonder the same.

The test fails to clarify whether or not these notebooks are worth buying. The Balanced fan mode or 2/3 TDP of the GPU might be suitable but the test does not tell us its application speeds and dB values. We only learn that the Performance mode is too loud with 50-51dB.

From the test alone, I must conclude not to buy these notebooks. However, maybe the Balanced mode is good so that I could buy them?

Allen Ngo fails to enable my purchase decision. His test misses the central question.

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Wonderful review.

Where is the part that details performance while using the flagship feature of this computer: liquid cooling?

Tremendous effort.

Quote from: RobertJasiek on March 09, 2023, 22:41:07However, maybe the Balanced mode is good so that I could buy them?

One of the biggest selling points to me was that they give you the control to do what you want. The author only tested default modes. You can create you own profile mode and control the TDP for the CPU and the GPU. You can tune it to your environment, in your case, the noise level. Many other laptop brands lock the BIOS down where you cannot do much other than some basic stuff.

Another point of this laptop is the liquid cooling. I am not sure why the author didn't test this. It is night and day different when active. You would not believe how quite the laptop is at full tilt. I had too much other ambient noise going on when I tested this, but I can tell you it was 42 DB or less at full tilt. 42 DB was my ambient noise level. As the author states, this is optional. If you don't like fan noise and want all that performance you pay for, this laptop and the LPP G2 is what you want.

Gaming laptops are noisy since you cannot beat physics. Razer just updated their machines to make the fans run faster if desired meaning more noise. There is a reason why most of the gaming laptops this year have cooling vents across the entire back of the device, some would call it a trunk... More surface area allows for better cooling, which in turn equals more total TDP, or lower noise levels. The sacrifice is that the ports are on the sides towards the front of the laptop. A perfect design to get in the way of your external mouse...

At the end of the day, there are a lot of choices this year. People need to figure out what is most important to them and decide from there. I found this laptop to be the best for my needs.