After what nvidia did to evga I do not care what they do or charge anymore.  I will not buy nvidia anymore. Thats hard for me to say since I have been buying there products for 20 years plus.  When I need a new gpu intel wins my money. Nvidia is just greedy and they won't ever change.

Stopped PC gaming a while ago when GPU prices fed greed. The PS5 is perfect for me, and like/like PC hardware is multitudes more expensive.

This is a joke considering 4090 stocks been very low already ive checked daily on every site and only ones i have ever seen were msi and lots of complaints about fan on that one just another reason to justify 4090s low numbers

More garbage clickbait articles, courtesy of "leaks" from Moore's Law is Dead. This site is about to enter by newsfeed's blacklist.

Along with the reduction of the middle class in the West and the overall reduction of the "golden billion" on the planet, the number of buyers of top-end cards and other high-end gadgets will gradually decrease, prices will rise. Then there will be a collapse in the industry without sufficient competition and fundamental backlogs in technical processes. It is physically impossible to increase consumption further. Without a multiple increase in speed at the same TDP, no one will take new series.

Now in all product groups calculated on these layers there are sales failures. They will expand further and prices will rise. Because it is so designed to burn the debts of Western countries to their creditors, by depreciating debts in their currencies.

You need to come to terms with these global processes. And think not about price increases, which corporations will still index to the level of inflation and costs that they deem necessary, but about the fact that your income does not keep up with inflation and the devaluation of the purchasing power of key currencies in the world.

In order to simply remain in place now in the new world, according to your usual purchasing power, high inflation, you have to "run" hard, strain yourself. To become richer in terms of purchasing power, you need to "run" 2 times faster than the rest of the ordinary inhabitants ...

Have you considered lowering the price, you greedy fucks?

The video card people want, the 4090FE, hasn't been available for a couple months now. People who want a 4090 aren't going to settle for a $1200 overpriced alternative.

Hmmm, let's see. Instead of adjusting the price of a product where it should be, the green giant would rather kill the goose that lays the golden egg??? Wow! For one, those who own a higher end of the 30 series already, any decent AIB flavor of an RTX 3090, or 3080 ti (Asus RTX 3080 ti ROG Strix LC in my case), any brand of RTX 4080 offers little to no upgrade in a practical sense, other than fancy benchmark posts for bragging rights. I tried three of them, after a friend infected me with un upgrade rash, and I couldn't resist. I was a happy camper running Flight Sim 2020 wit a HP Reverb G2 with great results, powered by the RTX 3080 ti mentioned above. The RTX 4080 was said to be 35-40% faster than the flagship Ampere based predecessor, so I was itching to try one, to see if the claim holds true. The last of the three 4080s I tried, was the fastest one on the market, and the most expensive. The Asus RTX 4080 ROG Stix OC, is actually $50 below the price of the cheapest available RTX-4090 based big brother! So, how did the 4080 ROG Stix stood up to my 3080 ti ROG Stix LC? The benchmark results were astonishing across the board, I was melted. That is, until I fired up the sim, and took a VR flight over Paris, with slightly higher settings that the 3080 ti was running at. Disappointment is an understatement!!! I spent several days trying various settings, but nothing helped the second best Ada to put it over the top! At best, there were some flights that showed a meager 4-5% improvement, the rest were all the same what my older hardware produced. I ended up returning the 4080, and was lucky enough to find a Gigabyte RTX 4090 Gaming OC to exchange it for. Now, that's un UPGRADE! Solid 35% increase in performance, even at the most demanding flights! So, if Nvidia believes restricting the supply of these monsters will force anyone to buy their 4080 at the price what should be of a 4080 ti, they very much mistaking! The 4080 is the 3080 of the 40 series, nothing more! Increase the memory bandwidth from the measly 256 bits, enable another SM and for that kind of money, increase the 16GB of RAM to 20GB! Then you can charge the price of an RTX 4080 ti, when you offer one! The RTX 4090 based cards at the current price are very enticing, but if their price spike due to supply constrain, than simply just not worth upgrading from the 30 series! And the vast majority of the consumers won't take that to the bank!

As a buyer, I just won't game anymore. I would rather buy some Aluminum Racing heads for my 79 Mustang rather than pay the ridiculously inflated prices of GPUs. They'll just start losing consumers. We were sitting pretty during Trump Administration. GPUs were finally cheaper things were prospering. Now we have a Tyrannical Government with a Treasonous Geriatric Commander & Chief hell-bent on destroying America from within. A real WEF puppet that is bought and paid for. 

Quote from: RobertJasiek on February 20, 2023, 14:38:56Number of paid mathematicians: ~100,000 world-wide.

Fewer than 4,000 mathematicians are officially employed by U.S. institutions and firms, according to BLS data for 2020.

The cards will be sold at a price that suits manufacturers. If they can cut the price, they will. If they can't, they won't cut it. Do you see a reduction in MSRP price? Me not. It is ahead of the "official" inflation in the US and Taiwan, but you and I know that the official inflation needs to be multiplied by 2 times ...

Secondly, as I wrote many times, high-tech reacts most strongly to the destruction of complex chains of the global division of labor. Therefore, it is meaningless to compare processes and "official" inflation. Everything is much worse there.

The US and Western countries deliberately dispersed inflation in order to burn the already unsustainable debts in its fire in 10-20 years. This is their goal. Everything else is a cover for this goal.

The task of ordinary inhabitants is to keep up with the nominal prices of their incomes, while maintaining their usual purchasing power.

A recession always clears the labor market from parasites workers in companies. Only the most valuable personnel remain. It is they who retain old purchasing power. Everyone else loses it. But their fault.

Quote from: Geeks On Hugs on February 20, 2023, 17:23:41sell people products they want at fair prices.

A "fair" price is a price that suits both the buyer and the seller. This is a mutual deal.

Quote from: James Midgley on February 20, 2023, 19:25:32just settle for the AMD offer that's cheaper and better.

AMD does not do charity work. Which they officially recently confirmed in January 2023, stating at the management level that they do not specifically increase the supply of fresh series of processors that the market needs in order to keep high prices for both them and the previous series, which are sold with difficulty. Nothing personal, it's business...

As usual, everything will be available only to those who are a valuable worker and their purchasing power remains unchanged, adjusted for real, and not "official" inflation.

People need to wake up and stop buying extremely overpriced products. The only reason for these prices is exactly the amount of people buying gpus at whatever cost. Honestly at this moment the only gpus worth buying are some of AMDs last gen gpus just because they had a huge price cut.

They want a strong arm people into buying the 4080 I'll just settle for the AMD offer that's cheaper and better.

NVIDIA are such assholes. Stop trying to strong arm the market and instead sell people products they want at fair prices.

The 4080 (which really should be more of a 4070 TI) would sell fine if it wasn't egregiously overpriced.

Stop being scummy NVIDIA. You have wrecked your reputation.

Inflation: The US inflation of 15% during Ampere is the excuse, while the Taiwanese inflation (TSMC site) has been much lower. What may matter more is the increase of TSMC wafer prices, which explains ca. €60 - 70 but definitely not the up to more than doubled Nvidia graphics cards prices, especially when taking into account Nvidia's cheating with card naming in wrong tiers.

Macroeconomic context: ok.

Number of paid mathematicians: ~100,000 world-wide.