Quote from: NikoB on March 24, 2023, 15:22:08I would also oblige all laptop manufacturers to publish the measured noise level in each selected power profile at a distance of 50-60cm from the laptop screen. With a cores load up to 25%, 50%, 75%, 100%. Separately for the processor and in total when the processor and video card (igpu and dgpu separately) are working.

So that consumers can easily choose a laptop by noise level without any reviews. All this must also be done by law, forcing manufacturers to do this by force of law.

You are on to something but the information crucial for me would still be missing: 25% CPU 100% GPU for every power / fan profile combination.

I would also oblige all laptop manufacturers to publish the measured noise level in each selected power profile at a distance of 50-60cm from the laptop screen. With a cores load up to 25%, 50%, 75%, 100%. Separately for the processor and in total when the processor and video card (igpu and dgpu separately) are working.

So that consumers can easily choose a laptop by noise level without any reviews. All this must also be done by law, forcing manufacturers to do this by force of law.

Fraud with TDP limits concerns not only video cards, but also processors.

Please note that only NVidia forced all manufacturers to specify the TDP limit in the specifications in desktop cards and laptops. AMD, on the other hand, pretends that there is no problem, just as Intel does not force laptop manufacturers to explicitly indicate PL1/PL2 limits in the specifications for each profile for laptop models, because Intel loses as much as possible from this, because. their processors lag far behind the AMD/NVidia chips that are made at the TSMC/Samsung factory in terms of technical processes.

If Intel and AMD pretend they don't care about this TDP scam in laptops, it's time to pass legislation in all countries, unless the politicians of course are bought by these companies and they have brains (probably not).

In Blender a 4090 laptop card is faster than 3090 ti  desktop card. As expected unidimensional people keep calling against freedom.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080   9273.37   489
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Laptop GPU   8068.07   50
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti   7039.86   337
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti   6182.95   996

Frankly, this intentional consumer deception with naming should be regulated.
Or it could be measured and reported by gaming oriented community. In as simple fashion as possible.

Just list all nvidia desktop cards, and place all nvidia mobile cards next to comparable desktop performance. Including all power settings. For example RTX4070 mobile with 70%power and RTX4060 mobile with 100%power can be compared with rtx4050 desktop.

If nvidia is deceptive about it, notebookcheck should not be.
Just expose them.

The mobile version of the 4090 is actually slightly faster than the desktop 3080Ti. People who buy a mobile 4090 as part of a laptop are essentially getting 2 year old technology from desktops.


For the same money that is asked for "gaming" laptops with 4090, you can easily buy a desktop kit with 4090, which will be 1.5 times faster and at the same time much quieter. And completely silent when the load is only on the processor outside of games and 3D calculations/modeling, and at the same time it will not have any problem changing desktop 4090 in the future to a conditional "5090" selling the old 4090 separately...

"According to our 3D Mark tests the mobile rtx 4090 is much closer to the desktop rtx 4080 performane... "

This is fuckin bollocks and Im frankly dissappointed nobody else noticed this one already. You are not even consistent with your own tests and results!

Anybody who looks on these results can clearly see the mobile rtx 4090 is on par with the desktop 4070 ti. Every 3D Mark test have same or almost same scores. Is this some copy-paste bullshit?

As far as I know throughout history only 1000 GTX Nvidia series cards had similar destop-laptop performance...

Kinda makes you wonder if it makes sense to keep chasing high end video cards in laptops anymore. Maybe just subscribing to a high tier of GFNow will be better in the long run.

Quote from: Greg on February 13, 2023, 14:59:30Are you going to rehash the same article every 2 days?  You just posted this with a different title 3 days ago.  Lame.

notebookcheck has been clickbaity for the last few years now, same article but it works to get clicks

Are you going to rehash the same article every 2 days?  You just posted this with a different title 3 days ago.  Lame.

Quote from: NikoB on February 13, 2023, 14:27:30With a limit under the law on economy (i.e. efficiency), as happened in all countries without exception with incandescent bulbs, manufacturers will no longer be able to cheat with the "speed increase" of processors and video cards, because. you will have to adhere to the maximum energy budget of the laptop, for example 100W. And spin as you like further, demonstrating real "progress" to customers, otherwise no one will buy a new series of laptops, and attempts at artificial aging should be cut down by other laws with severe punishment.

Frankly, I don't see such a law for laptops coming anytime soon.

Besides, Raptor Lake has shown that consumers don't care if the "new best CPU on the block" consumes much more power.

Quote from: t4n0n on February 13, 2023, 14:11:42Frankly, it's a small miracle that they are able to handle TDPs of up to 175W, whilst remaining so compact.

Stupid people pay for this "miracle" with noise, which is now impossible even with headphones.

With a limit under the law on economy (i.e. efficiency), as happened in all countries without exception with incandescent bulbs, manufacturers will no longer be able to cheat with the "speed increase" of processors and video cards, because. you will have to adhere to the maximum energy budget of the laptop, for example 100W. And spin as you like further, demonstrating real "progress" to customers, otherwise no one will buy a new series of laptops, and attempts at artificial aging should be cut down by other laws with severe punishment.

And that's when the world of laptops will return to normal noise levels even in "gaming" models, because. it is much easier to dissipate 100W than 200+. But you can put a limit on 65W, forcing technology corporations to act even more efficiently and create even faster processors, but with an even smaller energy budget.

It is only necessary to have the will of the legislators to accept these norms rigidly. And everything will immediately become good in the world. Believe me.

As well as the right to independent cheap repairs and complete circuits of electronic goods from manufacturers without fail. What human rights activists tried to do, but the corrupt governor of New York did not allow it. The TNK lobby turned out to be stronger. It is necessary to gather strength and force him to return the law in its original form, at the level of the legislators of this US state. The whole world is watching this fight against corruption...

Quote from: Rib on February 13, 2023, 08:42:14Laptops were always power constrained. That's the point. So it's the other way around - not laptops became more minutes but desktop hardware has suffered from extreme power usage inflation. In the last 4-5 years we saw power consumption in the enthusiast class CPUs and GPUs double.

Spot on - couldn't have said it better.

Quote from: NikoB on February 13, 2023, 10:48:12Everything is very simple - it is necessary by "green" law, as with incandescent bulbs and other appliances - to limit the maximum consumption of laptops. For example, 100W in total.

Not really, it's to do with the fundamental thermal dissipation power of laptop devices.

It turns out it's physically very difficult to remove large quantities of heat from slim and lightweight chassis.

Frankly, it's a small miracle that they are able to handle TDPs of up to 175W, whilst remaining so compact.

I forgot about NVidia, but it is obvious that it, too, will cry for a drop in sales by orders of magnitude. ))