Quote from: NikoB on December 16, 2022, 12:50:42I do not believe in the possibility of native contrast in 1900:1+ on a semi-matte IPS. It's physically impossible.

It might be some IPS-Black type of screen. They are able to achieve a 2000:1 ratio. No idea if they exist for laptops yet, this might be a first.

Gibt's jetzt schon Neuigkeiten zum Test des T14s AMD? Im Oktober hieß es, November sollte klappen. Im Dezember dann, der komme in ein paar Tagen bzw ein paar Tage nach der Intel Variante, und das ist ja nun auch schon fast wieder einen Monat her :(

Quote from: Gibbi on December 17, 2022, 03:41:30Auf der SSD steht PCIe Gen3. Das gleiche war bei mir (beim AMD) auch der Fall, obwohl als PCIe 4.0 verkauft. Ich habe selbst eine Samsung 980 pro verbaut. Diese läuft aber laut lspci (Ubuntu 22.04) nur downgraded, ebenfalls mit PCIe Gen3-Speed. Irgendwas riecht da um es mal vorsichtig zu formulieren. Wäre cool, wenn Ihr da mal recherchieren könnten.

(On the SSD in the foto there is a label which indicates PCIe Gen3 x 4. Same was on my AMD model which was explicitly sold as Gen 4x4.)

In the meanwhile I found out, that only on battery the SSD gets downgraded to two lanes. Still wondering why Lenovo sells Gen3 SSDs as Gen4 devices.

Thought about buying this one... but owning a T480s with 2560x1440px IPS, 32GB RAM, 2 TB Samsung Pro SSD and Gefore 150MX still running smoothly...why should I?

Keyboard is 1,5mm now, OLED-option not available in Europe with AMD and it is more than ridiculous to offer a laptop in the year 2022 with 256 or 512GB SSD and 16GB soldered Ram...

Vielen Dank für den Test. Ich interessiere mich für die Variante mit der AMD CPU.

Wir es dieses Jahr noch einen Test vom ThinkPad T14s G3 AMD geben? Falls ja, wann wird dieser veröffentlicht?

Quote from: NikoB on December 17, 2022, 13:30:54For example, a license for W10Pro is now 3 times more expensive than a 32GB DDR4 3200.

This means the real difference in price for a model with W10Pro and without OS with the same hardware in retail. People, seeing this madness, buy a laptop without OS, and then buy 32GB of memory and 1-2TB SSD for the price difference between the model with and without W10Pro.

Quote from: RobertJasiek on December 16, 2022, 13:43:31The problem is that they cannot learn by offering 8GB or 16GB for acceptable prices but 32GB or 64GB for excessively greedy surcharges. People need to buy the 8GB or 16GB versions, discard the RAM and buy 32GB or 64GB on their own.

In this model, it is fundamentally impossible to replace the memory, so no one will simply buy it. I see how models with 16GB are getting more and more stuck in warehouses and stores, because. I monitor many networks and different sellers.

And models with 4GB soldered and one slot - no one needs them at all, they will have to be given away almost for nothing.

I see the exorbitant greed of manufacturers (and trade in collusion with them), when changing the configuration from 8GB to 16 or from 16 to 32, like 512SSD instead of ridiculous 256 or 1TB instead of 512, are already almost 5-6 times more expensive than you buy them independently at a retail price and at times with a greater guarantee. Only clinical idiots buy models with 16 and 32 GB because they cost outside the USA many times more than adding memory and SSD themselves, even throwing factory components into the trash (because they can no longer be sold to anyone at a flea market - no one needs such capacities) ...

For example, in our retail one can observe wildness when 8/256/5600U and 16/512/5600U the same model differs by almost $500. Only an idiot would buy a version with 16/512 at such a price difference, when installing it yourself costs $85 for 32GB RAM with a 5-10 year warranty and $180 for a 2TB SSD with a 5 year warranty, even though the laptop comes with a 1 year warranty. ..

Only in the USA everything is still more or less adequate as in the first world, but even then not always, otherwise everything is much more cynical and greedy ...

The problem is that in order to increase the manufacturer's price, there is an additional increase in the chain of intermediary parasites, and so on up to the retailer. As a result, this difference increases many times over and becomes completely inadequate in retail, especially in developing countries.

For example, a license for W10Pro is now 3 times more expensive than a 32GB DDR4 3200. This is crazy. Therefore, piracy flourishes in the world and no one buys OS from M$, preferring to install pirated versions. Because the prices for OS are inadequate at times. And now M$ is forced to sell a perpetual license of Office 2021 for $30, many times cheaper than it used to be...

Auf der SSD steht PCIe Gen3. Das gleiche war bei mir (beim AMD) auch der Fall, obwohl als PCIe 4.0 verkauft. Ich habe selbst eine Samsung 980 pro verbaut. Diese läuft aber laut lspci (Ubuntu 22.04) nur downgraded, ebenfalls mit PCIe Gen3-Speed. Irgendwas riecht da um es mal vorsichtig zu formulieren. Wäre cool, wenn Ihr da mal recherchieren könnten.

Quote from: NikoB on December 16, 2022, 12:50:42Until stupid and greedy manufacturers understand that no one will buy laptops with 16GB anymore

The problem is that they cannot learn by offering 8GB or 16GB for acceptable prices but 32GB or 64GB for excessively greedy surcharges. People need to buy the 8GB or 16GB versions, discard the RAM and buy 32GB or 64GB on their own. So the manufacturers perceive a fake popularity of 8GB or 16GB models far beyond true demand. Same for SSDs.

I do not believe in the possibility of native contrast in 1900:1+ on a semi-matte IPS. It's physically impossible. without spoiling the visibility of dark shades and highlighting light ones - i.e. wrong gamma curve, which is just not measured here.

The memory is rather slow, but because it's a U series, it's probably pointless to expect the best. In general, this is still better than the shame of AMD versions with ddr5 4800/6400 where it is slightly better speed than ddr4 3200.

Well, soldered 16GB look shameful at the end of 2022, when even 64GB cost a penny against the backdrop of such a  overprice by 2 time.

At this price, there should be an i7 1265U + 32GB + 2TB SSD, plus a 4k@120Hz screen with a response time of no more than 10ms on B2W/G2G, but which can automatically switch to low battery consumption in 60Hz mode for longer runtime.

That's actually the whole success of the mass sale of such a laptop.

Until stupid and greedy manufacturers understand that no one will buy laptops with 16GB anymore, and today the minimum is 32 and the norm is shifting faster and faster to 64GB in the professional segment and that SSD should be in such models a priori from 2TB in the basic configuration, sales will be and keep falling...