"Hey everyone! Let's quote Moores law is dead, who has struck out on a ton of alleged 'inside information', as though he's a good source!!1!

Like when he assured us all that Intel was scrapping it's gpu business and wasn't going to actually ship a product?

Which never happened, and doesn't look to be likely?

He either makes things up or has friends who don't really have any valid inside information?

Lastly, it looks like Moore's law is alive and well.

Quote from: DoubleLlamaDrama on October 11, 2022, 01:11:49I'm pretty sure it's melting power supplies, not the wires in your house. Which is the problem.

If a 600 watt GPU is melting power supplies, its either a cheap $50 1000+ watt generic PSU or some other inadequate power supply for a 600 watt graphics card.  Power supplies should trip over current protection before wires melt, unless they are gigabyte power supplies or very cheaply made power supplies that aren't designed for their "rated" wattage.

Quote from: Kalebg on October 11, 2022, 01:04:25

Quote from: Bavor on October 10, 2022, 03:21:23

Quote from: Haryana on October 09, 2022, 20:55:58This is BS. You can't run a pair of RTX 3090 on a 15a 120V.

That's like powering a car with midgets pedaling underneath. Moron.

I see you failed basic math. 

Let me do the basic math for you: 15 amps x 120 volts = 1,800 watts

Quote from: Haryana on October 10, 2022, 04:46:12

Quote from: Bavor on October 10, 2022, 03:44:07

Quote from: RobertJasiek on October 09, 2022, 19:42:15How have you cooled the two RTX 3090 Kingpin cards and how far from each other have they been?

The stock coolers are a 360mm AIO.  I've also used the two different water blocks that are available for the cards, EVGA and Optimus.  I usually have them in the same motherboard at 3 slot spacing and use the Nvidia 3 slot NVLink adapter.  I also have a 4 slit NVLink bridge when its necessary.

I also have the KP Cooling LN2 pots for dry ice and LN2 use.  However they aren't needed to keep the cards cool at 600-700 watts.

3 times... this is written like my 4 year old niece.



Avoid places with people and direct sunlight.

Thanks

I mean to start 15amp outlet voltage can be 120v to 110v. Low end you have 110v @15a you get 1650 watts, high end 120V 15A you get 1800 watts. Continuous load in not to exceed 80% giving you 1320-1440 watts.

Lets split the diff and say 1400 watts available. With a 80+ gold PSU at full load and 87% efficiency (not plugging in a PSU that WAY over specs the receptacle) you get a whopping 1200 watts output to your pc.
1200 watts -550 watt gpu -550 watt gpu - 150 watt mobo/cpu/ram and your already 50 watts over your receptacles rated power.
No monitor. No fan. No heater.
Absolutle best case scenario you have GREAT utility voltage and are running at 100% of the receptacles rating. Thats not even touching on transient voltage spikes or overclocking.

You are forgetting that the supposed circuit breaker tripping, PSU wire melting card in the original article did not have SLI.  SLI was dropped for the RTX 4000 series.  My point was that you can draw well over the claimed power of the 600 watt card without issues.  So the claim that Nvidia didn't produce a 600 watt RTX Titan Ada because power supplies and 120v 15A outlets can't handle it(which other reliable sources say is complete BS and made up) is that a 600 watt max power draw GPU was tripping circuit breakers and melting wires is false.

Quote from: Haryana on October 10, 2022, 04:46:12

Quote from: Bavor on October 10, 2022, 03:44:07

Quote from: RobertJasiek on October 09, 2022, 19:42:15How have you cooled the two RTX 3090 Kingpin cards and how far from each other have they been?

The stock coolers are a 360mm AIO.  I've also used the two different water blocks that are available for the cards, EVGA and Optimus.  I usually have them in the same motherboard at 3 slot spacing and use the Nvidia 3 slot NVLink adapter.  I also have a 4 slit NVLink bridge when its necessary.

I also have the KP Cooling LN2 pots for dry ice and LN2 use.  However they aren't needed to keep the cards cool at 600-700 watts.

3 times... this is written like my 4 year old niece.



Avoid places with people and direct sunlight.

Thanks

When people start nit picking grammar, you know they lost.  Its sad that is what you resort to when you are proven wrong.

Quote from: Haryana on October 10, 2022, 04:36:21

Quote from: Bavor on October 10, 2022, 03:21:23

Quote from: Haryana on October 09, 2022, 20:55:58This is BS. You can't run a pair of RTX 3090 on a 15a 120V.

That's like powering a car with midgets pedaling underneath. Moron.

I see you failed basic math. 

Let me do the basic math for you: 15 amps x 120 volts = 1,800 watts

"From the factory, the GeForce RTX 3090 Ti comes with the highest power consumption we've ever recorded from an Nvidia GPU, with a reference specification of around 450W. And that number increases up to 550W for select AIB partner cards (yes that is an additional 100W over reference)."

Basic math: 450w x 2 = 900w. That leaves 900w. Are you running a small microwave to heat up breast milk ever so delicately? Definitely not a gaming rig.

What a PATHETIC joke.

Just because they didn't test a card with a power draw over 450 watts doesn't mean they don't exist. 

Kingpin 3090 1000 watt BIOS

Kingpin 520 watt BIOS

Another Kingpin 520 watt BIOS

Another Kingpin 520 watt BIOS

The later versions of the EVGA RTX 3090 FTW3 also shipped with a 500 watt BIOS.

The Kingpin 3090 ti also had a 1000 watt BIOS option

I'm pretty sure it's melting power supplies, not the wires in your house. Which is the problem.

Quote from: Bavor on October 10, 2022, 03:21:23

Quote from: Haryana on October 09, 2022, 20:55:58This is BS. You can't run a pair of RTX 3090 on a 15a 120V.

That's like powering a car with midgets pedaling underneath. Moron.

I see you failed basic math. 

Let me do the basic math for you: 15 amps x 120 volts = 1,800 watts

Quote from: Haryana on October 10, 2022, 04:46:12

Quote from: Bavor on October 10, 2022, 03:44:07

Quote from: RobertJasiek on October 09, 2022, 19:42:15How have you cooled the two RTX 3090 Kingpin cards and how far from each other have they been?

The stock coolers are a 360mm AIO.  I've also used the two different water blocks that are available for the cards, EVGA and Optimus.  I usually have them in the same motherboard at 3 slot spacing and use the Nvidia 3 slot NVLink adapter.  I also have a 4 slit NVLink bridge when its necessary.

I also have the KP Cooling LN2 pots for dry ice and LN2 use.  However they aren't needed to keep the cards cool at 600-700 watts.

3 times... this is written like my 4 year old niece.



Avoid places with people and direct sunlight.

Thanks

I mean to start 15amp outlet voltage can be 120v to 110v. Low end you have 110v @15a you get 1650 watts, high end 120V 15A you get 1800 watts. Continuous load in not to exceed 80% giving you 1320-1440 watts.

Lets split the diff and say 1400 watts available. With a 80+ gold PSU at full load and 87% efficiency (not plugging in a PSU that WAY over specs the receptacle) you get a whopping 1200 watts output to your pc.
1200 watts -550 watt gpu -550 watt gpu - 150 watt mobo/cpu/ram and your already 50 watts over your receptacles rated power.
No monitor. No fan. No heater.
Absolutle best case scenario you have GREAT utility voltage and are running at 100% of the receptacles rating. Thats not even touching on transient voltage spikes or overclocking.

What you meant was dual 12-pin power connectors, each with the capability to use up to four conventional 8-pin PCI-E power cables.  So, yeah, even the use of a 2KW power supply may not meet the amperage requirements.  Wow and yikes at the same time!!

Couple of you need to get a room.

Quote from: Bavor on October 10, 2022, 03:21:23

Quote from: Haryana on October 09, 2022, 20:55:58This is BS. You can't run a pair of RTX 3090 on a 15a 120V.

That's like powering a car with midgets pedaling underneath. Moron.

I see you failed basic math. 

Let me do the basic math for you: 15 amps x 120 volts = 1,800 watts

"From the factory, the GeForce RTX 3090 Ti comes with the highest power consumption we've ever recorded from an Nvidia GPU, with a reference specification of around 450W. And that number increases up to 550W for select AIB partner cards (yes that is an additional 100W over reference)."

Basic math: 450w x 2 = 900w. That leaves 900w. Are you running a small microwave to heat up breast milk ever so delicately? Definitely not a gaming rig.

What a PATHETIC joke.

Quote from: RobertJasiek on October 09, 2022, 19:42:15How have you cooled the two RTX 3090 Kingpin cards and how far from each other have they been?

The stock coolers are a 360mm AIO.  I've also used the two different water blocks that are available for the cards, EVGA and Optimus.  I usually have them in the same motherboard at 3 slot spacing and use the Nvidia 3 slot NVLink adapter.  I also have a 4 slit NVLink bridge when its necessary.

I also have the KP Cooling LN2 pots for dry ice and LN2 use.  However they aren't needed to keep the cards cool at 600-700 watts.

Quote from: Potato on October 09, 2022, 20:51:26The 3090 Kingpin PCB is specifically designed to handle a lot of Wattage and breaking records with liquid nitrogen, it's not going to melt from 700 or 800 watts.

Your failure of logic is astounding.  A card designed to be run at -170C is more resistant to melting under high GPU load?  Its not as if the Kingpin 3090 PCB is made of some different material than the rest of the PCBs to make it more heat resistant.

I've run lower end 3090s and some lower end 3080 series cards at 550-700 watts without issue before I had the kingpin 3090s.  No graphics card should melt even with a 600 watt power draw if the manufacturer designed a proper cooler.  Are you saying that Nvidia is not capable of designing proper cooling for a graphics card?

Quote from: Potato on October 09, 2022, 20:51:26Just because you aren't running anything else on the circuit or have melted cables doesn't mean these testers aren't testing to see how easy it is to cause issues like these under normal usage conditions, i.e. with air conditioner, TV, monitor, or another computer on, with barely acceptable PSU and cable configurations like some customers will definitely try.

If you are using a cheap no name brand power supply, you can't afford a RTX Titan card in the first place.  If you are using one of the cheap no name brand PSUs you shouldn't be using any high end graphics card.  If a customer is that stupid that they would buy the cheapest power supply for a graphics card that likely will cost over $2000 they deserve the consequences.

You sound like you haven't visited the testing lab of any of the major PC component manufacturers if you think they test what other appliances do on the same circuit as a PC.

Some of the reputable and reliable leakers have already said that the story of the RTX Titan Ada tripping breakers, melting circuit boards, and melting wires is a bunch of made up BS and its obvious that some idiot created the story and leaked it to see who would believe it.  There are so many holes in the original story that it makes no sense at all.

Quote from: HulkMode666 on October 09, 2022, 20:40:48You seem to blatantly forget the fact that little things like architectures, and process nodes and programing are all but comparable.

Testing on the 4080 and 4090 HAVE melted and shorted out PSUs and their cables, so yeah. A more power hungry card using entirely different architecture and process node, that seems like it is being pushed to the moon, probably is indeed tripping breakers and such in the labs.

You seem completely clueless when it comes to computer hardware.  Also you make up some stories and call it facts.  Please cite, from a reputable source, where the 4080s and 4090s have melted wires under testing.  You can't because the review embargo hasn't been lifted yet.

A single card pulling 600 watts isn't being pushed to the moon.  Its been possible to do that with off the shelf mass produced gaming cards with ambient cooling methods for at least a couple generations now.

A card pulling 600 watts isn't going to trip a breaker unless there is a basic design flaw with the card's power delivery system or the power supply.

You probably need to stay away form the inside of a computer and never give anyone advice on electronics ever again.

Quote from: Haryana on October 09, 2022, 20:55:58This is BS. You can't run a pair of RTX 3090 on a 15a 120V.

That's like powering a car with midgets pedaling underneath. Moron.

I see you failed basic math. 

Let me do the basic math for you: 15 amps x 120 volts = 1,800 watts

Quote from: HulkMode666 on October 09, 2022, 20:40:48

Quote from: Bavor on October 09, 2022, 19:11:58This sounds as if its completely made up or its a misleading story not telling the actual facts. 

I've run a pair of RTX 3090 Kingpin cards with the 1000 watt BIOS on a 15A 120V circuit.  Each card was drawing 700 watts or more continuously for extended time periods.  That's 1400+ watts power draw on the GPUs alone, plus the power draw of the CPU/motherboard and the monitor on the came circuit.  Yet, I didn't have any issues with tripping breakers, melting wires, damaging the cards, etc....  A 120v 15A circuit can handle 1800 watts of constant power draw. 

The only time I had to have the cards on a separate circuit from the CPU/motherboard and the rest of the system was when I was using an overclocked Threadripper that was drawing over 500 watts itself. 

It sounds like the people using the test cards were using the 16 pin to 8 pin adapters with daisy chained pigtail wires where two PCIE 8 pin connectors were pigtailed on the same wire if they melted wires.  Also, it appears that there was a design issue with the engineering/development version of the board if they had issues with melted cards.

You seem to blatantly forget the fact that little things like architectures, and process nodes and programing are all but comparable.

Testing on the 4080 and 4090 HAVE melted and shorted out PSUs and their cables, so yeah. A more power hungry card using entirely different architecture and process node, that seems like it is being pushed to the moon, probably is indeed tripping breakers and such in the labs.

You don't have a clue what you're talking about.