The part everyone is forgetting is the fact they went proprietary for ssd expansion was making sure that the ssd could handle quick resume feature that ps5 doesn't have. If it wasn't for that I would just buy a regular external like everyone else does and just transfer between external and internal.

Quote from: Be Honest on October 14, 2022, 14:07:27Your article is dishonest, and I'm guessing intentionally so. You can not simply by a compatible SSD for the PS5, you also have to purchase and attach a heatsink to that SSD before installing it in the PS5. Bringing the price much closer to on par with the Series X expansion cards. Also, while those heatsinks aren't exactly difficult to attach to the drive, they can be confusing to attach correctly for people unfamiliar with working with PC components. While I support having choices over a proprietary solution, you have an obligation as a journalist to be honest in your reporting. Also, there are 3rd party solutions that work for the Series X. You can purchase the same type drive that's in the expansion cards and an appropriate adapter and it works perfectly fine for the Series X. This has been known for over a year now.

You can purchase a brandnew top end WDBlack 1TB SN850X w/ Heatsink for $129 a few days ago. You can go the cheaper route with a SK Hynix 1TB  for $119 or ADATA 1TB for $99 and slap on a $10-15 heatsink, and still be cheaper than a "USED" Xbox Expansion SSD. Far from "closer to on par with the Series X expansion cards." The cheapest I was able to get the my Xbox Expansion SSD for was $179, and that was even with coupons... Even now, Xbox Expansion 1TB SSDs just hover around $189-200...

Sure you can get a PCIe4 to CFExpress B adapter to make a standard NVME SSD work with the Series X/S, but then it becomes far more complicated than attaching a heatsink and installing into a PS5. One the adapter goes for around $29-40 from Aliexpress, and then only CERTAIN SSDs are recognized by the Series X/S. You CANNOT use a high end NVME SSD, cause those are PCIe4x4 @7GB/s vs Xbox's PCIe4x2 @2.4GB/s. Even among the already very limited number of PCIe4x2 SSDs, only a very select few will actually work, particularly the WD "CH" SN530. At that point just cough up the money and buy the official Expansion Card SSD...

Your article is dishonest, and I'm guessing intentionally so. You can not simply by a compatible SSD for the PS5, you also have to purchase and attach a heatsink to that SSD before installing it in the PS5. Bringing the price much closer to on par with the Series X expansion cards. Also, while those heatsinks aren't exactly difficult to attach to the drive, they can be confusing to attach correctly for people unfamiliar with working with PC components. While I support having choices over a proprietary solution, you have an obligation as a journalist to be honest in your reporting. Also, there are 3rd party solutions that work for the Series X. You can purchase the same type drive that's in the expansion cards and an appropriate adapter and it works perfectly fine for the Series X. This has been known for over a year now.

Quote from: Doobie on October 10, 2022, 10:57:29Where you get your prices? I paid $75 on Amazon last year for my 1tb XboxSSD card. Not 175, 75. They go on sale all the time

That is absolute BS, the lowest the actual official Xbox Series X/S "Expansion Card" has ever been was $193. I literally have had it in my cart since launch, and it has never dropped below $190. Even a USED Expansion card is at cheapest for $135...

Even now, on Amazon, the Expansion Card is on "Sale" for $199...

You must be talking about the "Xbox SSD" which is just a regular external SSD...

Where you get your prices? I paid $75 on Amazon last year for my 1tb XboxSSD card. Not 175, 75. They go on sale all the time

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Quote from: mixedfish on October 08, 2022, 06:38:59

Quote from: Ponk on October 08, 2022, 03:39:05That's not true in any way shape or form.
Stop smoking crack, it's obviously making you mentally deficient

I don't need to explain anything that happens in my life to some random like you. I know what I know.

Go take some copium it's obvious you'll need it.

Quote from: Cooe on October 07, 2022, 23:33:17Except they aren't feature identical at all... Microsoft's SSD's allow, neigh ENCOURAGE near instantaneous multiple drive hot-swapping either between multiple consoles or different SSD's on the same console. This is a MASSIVE advantage over having to install the drives internally and is worthy of a small price premium (if it was huge, that would be another story, but it's not).

Allen writes a stupid article on this site with little foresight basically every single day nowadays.... -_-

Right, calling something stupid when you can't even see you're describing something unique to Microsoft's console and OS and not actually got to do with anything on memory type.

Nobody cares about hot swapping physical memory, on the small niche conditions you might how often are you even doing this to warranty continual price premiums? Everyone else simply uses cloud storage to sync their games.

You are absolutely dumb if you can't see the benefit of being able to hot swap the SSD. Microsoft made the Xbox Series X/S consoles comparable to PC as PC can hotswap drives easily. It takes less time that the PS5. Plus say you visit a friend's house and have a game with local coop you want to play but your friend doesn't have it. You can plug in the small drive and immediately play. The risks of using M.2 NVME storage are pretty high especially if you have kids.

What? Risk of using nvme storage, if you have kids? The SSD is inside the console and secured with SCREW and under a cover. it ain't going off for no reason. And about the hot swappable - Most people don't give a s***. I bought 2tb SSD and installed it inside the PS5 and forgot about it(like it should because it is an internal storage). That is how it's supposed to be, Let say you go to friend's house and you want to use your own game files for some reason (can't see how it's a thing today with fast internet) use a freaking external drive. The truth is with Xbox storage cards you pay more for subpar and proprietary solutions. Other than using this card in Xbox you have no use for it. If I want I can take that SSD and at anytime use it in my PC. And the SSD I use is twice faster and costs less than Xbox storage card (when comparing $/GB).

I dont know what copium you fanboys are huffing but proprietary anything is bad. Take sony themselves, proprietary memory cards for the psp and cameras, exclusive proprietary memory cards for Vita, proprietary ports on their Walkmans. All of these custom made sony peripherals, all died

Quote from: mixedfish on October 08, 2022, 06:38:59

Quote from: Ponk on October 08, 2022, 03:39:05That's not true in any way shape or form.
Stop smoking crack, it's obviously making you mentally deficient

I don't need to explain anything that happens in my life to some random like you. I know what I know.

Go take some copium it's obvious you'll need it.

Quote from: Cooe on October 07, 2022, 23:33:17Except they aren't feature identical at all... Microsoft's SSD's allow, neigh ENCOURAGE near instantaneous multiple drive hot-swapping either between multiple consoles or different SSD's on the same console. This is a MASSIVE advantage over having to install the drives internally and is worthy of a small price premium (if it was huge, that would be another story, but it's not).

Allen writes a stupid article on this site with little foresight basically every single day nowadays.... -_-

Right, calling something stupid when you can't even see you're describing something unique to Microsoft's console and OS and not actually got to do with anything on memory type.

Nobody cares about hot swapping physical memory, on the small niche conditions you might how often are you even doing this to warranty continual price premiums? Everyone else simply uses cloud storage to sync their games.

You are absolutely dumb if you can't see the benefit of being able to hot swap the SSD. Microsoft made the Xbox Series X/S consoles comparable to PC as PC can hotswap drives easily. It takes less time that the PS5. Plus say you visit a friend's house and have a game with local coop you want to play but your friend doesn't have it. You can plug in the small drive and immediately play. The risks of using M.2 NVME storage are pretty high especially if you have kids.

I'm a fan of the Xbox memory cards due to them being hot-swappable.

Sony's system is misleading as well, seeing as they aren't really "just an M.2" and you still have to work off of a hardware compatibility list.

Quote from: Ponk on October 08, 2022, 03:39:05That's not true in any way shape or form.
Stop smoking crack, it's obviously making you mentally deficient

I don't need to explain anything that happens in my life to some random like you. I know what I know.

Go take some copium it's obvious you'll need it.

Quote from: Cooe on October 07, 2022, 23:33:17Except they aren't feature identical at all... Microsoft's SSD's allow, neigh ENCOURAGE near instantaneous multiple drive hot-swapping either between multiple consoles or different SSD's on the same console. This is a MASSIVE advantage over having to install the drives internally and is worthy of a small price premium (if it was huge, that would be another story, but it's not).

Allen writes a stupid article on this site with little foresight basically every single day nowadays.... -_-

Right, calling something stupid when you can't even see you're describing something unique to Microsoft's console and OS and not actually got to do with anything on memory type.

Nobody cares about hot swapping physical memory, on the small niche conditions you might how often are you even doing this to warranty continual price premiums? Everyone else simply uses cloud storage to sync their games.

Quote from: mixedfish on October 07, 2022, 07:32:24This wasn't my experience. The PCIE4 SSDs were cheaper than Microsoft's storage prices from day 1 for me. Samsung Pro 1tb was $180 the day PS5 launched. Also any laptop that upgraded the SSD, the old SSD can go straight into the PS5 so it could be a free upgrade for many people.

That's not true in any way shape or form.
Stop smoking crack, it's obviously making you mentally deficient

Quote from: Cooe on October 07, 2022, 23:33:17Except they aren't feature identical at all... Microsoft's SSD's allow, neigh ENCOURAGE near instantaneous multiple drive hot-swapping either between multiple consoles or different SSD's on the same console. This is a MASSIVE advantage over having to install the drives internally and is worthy of a small price premium (if it was huge, that would be another story, but it's not).

Allen writes a stupid article on this site with little foresight basically every single day nowadays.... -_-

Plus 1.

U save a few dollars on the ssd for p5, but ends up paying so much for games. Lol just saying.

Except nor M.2 nor PCIe/NVMe is Open Source. It's industry standard, but it's not an open one. M.2 specification is behind PCI-SIG paywall. Not very open.

Except they aren't feature identical at all... Microsoft's SSD's allow, neigh ENCOURAGE near instantaneous multiple drive hot-swapping either between multiple consoles or different SSD's on the same console. This is a MASSIVE advantage over having to install the drives internally and is worthy of a small price premium (if it was huge, that would be another story, but it's not).

Allen writes a stupid article on this site with little foresight basically every single day nowadays.... -_-