Quote from: Dhrazer on August 15, 2022, 05:55:375926? How the hell? That's not even the multiple of 2. ...what kind of partitioning makes 5926? Also even the earliest IBM / Intel pc's in 81 started at 16kb or ram with the C64 starting at 64+20kb of ram. Was that even a pc? Was it running an 4004 or something from that generation?

It was a Sharp pocket PC looking like a large pocket calculator with mini keyboard, a one row LCD and the plotter. I did not have the optional cassette recorder for external storage, which was available for about DM 128. This PC might have appeared around 1979 or 1980. As a child, I had to save my pocket exchange etc. for three years to buy it in 1983 for DM 798. In 1986, I sold it for DM 530 - that's how slow PC development was in those times. It can GW-BASIC, which was a good implementation of BASIC.

Yes, the amount 5926B was strange. Actually, I am not sure whether it was a RAM or a storage. Probably a hybrid form, where the storage served as RAM when powered. I guess the firmware and operating system must have occupied part of the storage but 5926B was the amount shown as available, even when part of it was filled with loaded programs. So maybe physically it was 8KB altogether. The command NEW cleared the available storage / RAM but one could also delete one's programs individually (or edit them).

The CPU might have been the Z80.

The Sharp PC was around before alternatives such as Sinclair and the C64. Called home computers, i.e., the era after Nixon's major years / Altair 8800 / large IBM PCs and before the real "100% IBM compatible" PCs became the normal purchases.

Quote from: NikoB on August 14, 2022, 22:48:55And wildly greedy manufacturers of laptops continue install soldered the funny 4GB on the board or 8GB, despite the fact that even 16GB on PC/laptop today cause only laughter. When the minimum memory available to the user on the laptop (minus OS space in RAM) should already exceed 20GB RAM..
And the most cynical thing is that laptop manufacturers continue use  stupidity and laziness people, selling additional memory at prices several times higher than the price of this memory in retail (at the same time, a guarantee of 5 to 10 years is also given for these retail modules, unlike from the fact that manufacturers sell ram modules as part of laptops, with a guarantee most often 1-2 years for whole laptop, and even without the ability to install the modules bought separately).

8 GB is usable, and 4 GB is only really encountered in the budget segment.

It would be nice to put 64-128 GB in any laptop, but those days are over.

Quote from: RobertJasiek on August 15, 2022, 01:41:05

Quote from: Hunter2020 on August 15, 2022, 00:08:47I remember the days when 128MB (you read that right) RAM was a luxury.

My first computer had 5926B (yes, B = Bytes) RAM and a built-in plotter! More useful than a C64 :)

5926? How the hell? That's not even the multiple of 2. ...what kind of partitioning makes 5926? Also even the earliest IBM / Intel pc's in 81 started at 16kb or ram with the C64 starting at 64+20kb of ram. Was that even a pc? Was it running an 4004 or something from that generation?

Quote from: Hunter2020 on August 15, 2022, 00:08:47My God, wut u guys smokin?  I remember the days when 128MB (you read that right) RAM was a luxury.  Win32 only supports up to 4GB.  Don't see why 4GB or even 8GB should be laughed at.  J.K. Rowling wrote parts of the first Harry Potter on hotel napkins.  Give a second rater 128GB RAM, he won't be as productive as the first rater on 4GB!!

My first PC had 2Mb of RAM, my second had 16MB, third had 1Gb,4th 2Gb, 5th 16Gb... In 8 years of using a PC I went from 16 to 16384Mb, an increase of 1024x... In my next 8 years it went from 16Gb to 32Gb... Do you see where the problem is? We used to see more increase in a year than we see now in 5-10 years, and then component manufacturers wonder why people won't invest into new pc's

Quote from: Hunter2020 on August 15, 2022, 00:08:47I remember the days when 128MB (you read that right) RAM was a luxury.

My first computer had 5926B (yes, B = Bytes) RAM and a built-in plotter! More useful than a C64 :)

My God, wut u guys smokin?  I remember the days when 128MB (you read that right) RAM was a luxury.  Win32 only supports up to 4GB.  Don't see why 4GB or even 8GB should be laughed at.  J.K. Rowling wrote parts of the first Harry Potter on hotel napkins.  Give a second rater 128GB RAM, he won't be as productive as the first rater on 4GB!!

And wildly greedy manufacturers of laptops continue install soldered the funny 4GB on the board or 8GB, despite the fact that even 16GB on PC/laptop today cause only laughter. When the minimum memory available to the user on the laptop (minus OS space in RAM) should already exceed 20GB RAM..
And the most cynical thing is that laptop manufacturers continue use  stupidity and laziness people, selling additional memory at prices several times higher than the price of this memory in retail (at the same time, a guarantee of 5 to 10 years is also given for these retail modules, unlike from the fact that manufacturers sell ram modules as part of laptops, with a guarantee most often 1-2 years for whole laptop, and even without the ability to install the modules bought separately).