I can't believe a tech oriented writer did not call out all the BS in this introduction. This isn't even close to the first of its kind.

I don't believe that even under the best of circumstances even a geared hub drive generates 100nm's of torque. Two motors running 100nm's does not equal one running 200 anyway. Most importantly, when you need it, you are looking at a "combined" torque of closer to 60nm's. That would be the same as a mediocre mid-drive that can access its torque more easily by gearing down (lighter weight and better balanced as well).

All motors prefer to run at high rpms (15-30k). They loose power when loaded. That is when you need that extra torque.

Aircraft or not, we have not used straight gauge aluminum on quality traditional bikes since the late 80's! It is heavy, dull handling and buzzy. Square tubing, as in that rear triangle, is worse. Why not hydroformed and butted?

There's a good reason mtb's don't use fat tires and it is not just speed and certainly is not weight. They dive, extending stopping distances and squirm in turns. Put those knobs on a solid surface (even hard pack) and hit a small imperfection, it will both squirm and dive, especially if you hit your brakes. Suspensions magnify these problems. Sooner or later Consumer Protection will have to address this issue.

Those brakes were designed for much lighter bikes, traveling at lower speeds and carrying an athlete. They were designed for this kind of weight, speed or old fat guys like me that are likely the only ones who can afford this bike. Never buy an e-bike that does not look like the traditional bike you would choose for the same ride.

Good luck riding that in the EU region

Imagine having the audacity to charge six grand for a bicycle. 😂

Quote from: NikoB on August 05, 2022, 14:44:45Another meaningless product for reasons I had long been voiced:
1. The weight excluding the handling of it in cities as with an apartment bicycle.
2. The monstrous price (х10 vs. real) making it with a complete absurdity.
3. Power and speed oblige him to receive rights to it, as to a motorcycle, which deprives the idea of all meaning, easier to buy in the garage for this money (which still needs this miracle) a new scooter and travel like a white person.

Again a product for rich and bored representatives of "upper middle class"..

I clear understand that the electric vehicle industry is now in infancy and removes impudently cream from the rich. But still - civilizations are not needed by these pretentious divisions, but work items for the majority, especially in poor developing countries, which already suffer from smog and gas content.

We need an electric bike with a weight of not more than 16-18 kg, but capable of providing movement in the area up to 40-50 km and a speed up to 30 km/h. With a reliable and light battery, general reliability when operating on bad roads and cheap spare parts. This is what civilization is needed to change the paradigm...

there's plenty of 20mph evokes.few who weigh 16-18kg, and even fewer with 40-50km of range. motors + battery is heavy. quality lightweight ebikes are even more expensive than this beast.

Quote from: Oddball on August 06, 2022, 23:29:01You sound as pompous as your "comment."  Almost 3,000 watts of power and a full suspension, with only a 61lb. weight, is not bad.  Your mother's Schwinn--the one she pedaled to her rendezvous under the high school bleachers--weighed 55 lbs.  Too bad she didn't bring a condom with her.

true 61lbs is very light for a dual suspension dual motor 3000W fat ebike with a rack and 1300Wh battery. that a pound lighter than my wife's commuter ebike with  half many motors, quarter the power and torque, half the battery, hardtail, 2.6 tires. it's probably going to be heavier.
Probably more for hunters than city bikers. 2wd ebike is useless in the city. you have a point it's not legal to use on the public roads.
 but many people do ride 1000+W ebikes on the streets, or even 7000W sur ron

You sound as pompous as your "comment."  Almost 3,000 watts of power and a full suspension, with only a 61lb. weight, is not bad.  Your mother's Schwinn--the one she pedaled to her rendezvous under the high school bleachers--weighed 55 lbs.  Too bad she didn't bring a condom with her.

I'm pretty sure that can't legally be sold as a bicycle.

Another meaningless product for reasons I had long been voiced:
1. The weight excluding the handling of it in cities as with an apartment bicycle.
2. The monstrous price (х10 vs. real) making it with a complete absurdity.
3. Power and speed oblige him to receive rights to it, as to a motorcycle, which deprives the idea of all meaning, easier to buy in the garage for this money (which still needs this miracle) a new scooter and travel like a white person.

Again a product for rich and bored representatives of "upper middle class"..

I clear understand that the electric vehicle industry is now in infancy and removes impudently cream from the rich. But still - civilizations are not needed by these pretentious divisions, but work items for the majority, especially in poor developing countries, which already suffer from smog and gas content.

We need an electric bike with a weight of not more than 16-18 kg, but capable of providing movement in the area up to 40-50 km and a speed up to 30 km/h. With a reliable and light battery, general reliability when operating on bad roads and cheap spare parts. This is what civilization is needed to change the paradigm...