For those who think it's easier in the US I am sorry to pop your bubble but unless you live near a MC it's incredibly difficult.  Cards are being scalped for insane prices with 3060 and 3070 cards in the range of what the 3080 should have been and some 3070 prices approaching 3080ti territory.  On top of that there are so many scammers and thieves out there to ruin your day.  Combine that with the bots and just the massive demand for these parts from miners etc even websites that only allow 1 per customer sell out nearly instantly (I know people who have workarounds for the 1 per thing and will try to buy 5 or more cards at once).  I monitored stock drops for a couple months before taking advantage of an opportunity that placed a full rig with a FHR card in my price range and decided to go with that.  I have a friend in Canada who consistently posted pictures of his local electronics store having cards on the shelf (albeit pricey) they were there occasionally...I had to show him that at stores near me they don't even have a place on the shelf because they don't sell them in store.

Lastly the whole premise of the article that the clerk was suggesting something through their remark is stupid.  I worked in a service industry where people would ask prices, and even for small things if it was overpriced I might mention that it was.  Saying, "It's not affordable" in response to a price inquiry regarding these cards is completely accurate and worth a laugh.  If the OP really got butthurt over that they need help...unclench bro.

Don't forget that buying is much more difficult in quite a few countries than in the USA. I read about lotteries, queues etc. in the USA but such things do not exist or are very much worse in, e.g., Germany. Then there are smaller European countries or some countries in other continents in which prices are thrice ours.

I got 3090 FE below msrp at BB. Right circumstances and almost perfect timing. No lines. Just being ahead of the game. Yall suckas who pay way over msrp lmfao for gaming only you're the problem. I feel for those who do need it for work and havent the freedom to wait out and search.

Finally managed to get a 3080 at retail through the EVGA online queue system. I have to say, I barely noticed a difference from my 1080 aside from a decent jump in framerate. It is definitely not worth spending double retail.

I got a FE for myself and an ftw3 for my girlfriend both at msrp. Everyone buying at the scalper price: you are the problem. Its only ever gonna get worse if you give in to them, the next launch will be abysmal because of this s***.

I mean, he's got a point. Even at MSRP the 3080 To and 3090 are far from *affordable*.

I've bought running cars that lasted me years for less than I paid for my scalped 3090 FTW3.

 >:(
Ridiculous prices, the MRRP for the 3080ti is £899 yet retailers are selling for double that... everyone is profiteering off gamers which ultimately are the ones losing out if they get one or not..

I'm still running a 970gtx could the prices for the 20xx series were Ridiculous and now the 30xx series was affordable for a week but retailers realised they could rip people off..

In all its pretty disgusting 😕

Quote from: 123 on December 31, 2021, 21:53:59
I can understand professionals paying ridiculous prices for high-end GPUs - for them, there is no alternative. Gamers, on the other hand, just forgotten what it is to be a customer, and became mindless consumers over the years.

It's a question of impulse control. So many people these days can't control themselves. They demand gratification, now! For a (competent) professional, it's just an economic calculation. Is the increased productivity going to offset the cost? It's no secret that the ability to postpone gratification is a big predictor of success in life. You might feel like you're gaining on a moment by moment basis but in the end, you'll end up worse off. It's about striking balance between enjoying life and building it.

The risk here is that the high prices might get cemented. That manufacturers might start targeting those higher price points. As it happened with phones, for example. Scalpers are just capitalizing on the fact that the products are under-priced - the real value (what people are willing to pay) is significantly higher than MSRP. If a manufacturer won't perform the correction, they will seize the opportunity.

The market is a huge voting machine. Every time someone pays the inflated price, they are voting in favour of it, saying that the price is right. The more sales, the stronger the vote. If there are enough idiots in the world, they will set the prices for everybody. That's how it works. The really sad and dangerous aspect is that choosing a politician is like buying a product. If people suck at buying products, they are going to suck at choosing their political representation. Both systems (free market and democracy) rely on the majority of people doing the right thing. But we are not really teaching people how to be good economic or political agents. Doing the right thing is often hard. Just as good sounding things are often not true. That's a fact of life. If the right things were easy, we'd all be living in a paradise. We all want to instinctively minimize cost (optimize). The only reason to pay more, figuratively speaking, is the belief that it will pay off. And there you have the postponed gratification - you sacrifice today to benefit tomorrow.

The problem is that lots of gamers pay whatever is asked for a GPU.  If people had sense and just let the cards from the scalpers away and just continued to play with their old good 10xx and 20xx series (and AMD equivalents), then nvidia and scalpers would have a bad day. As they continue to buy, then prices go up.

GPU and CPU production was in fact not that affected, prices went up because the above reasons (mining + scalpers), now as worldwide chips production is a little low and demand (home office, more time at home makes people buy new devices or update PCs and consoles, mining +++++) is much much higher than before.

In fact energy + GPU increased needs are due around 20% because increased home office and 80% because mining. If you stopped mining on Asia, Europe and America you would have more gpu and CPUs than the demand for the next couple of years...

Quote from: @man_daddio on January 01, 2022, 03:32:27
Retailers are raising prices because they can.

Yes, and they can because of an actual shortage.

Quote from: @man_daddio on January 01, 2022, 03:32:27
I know this because respectable companies are still selling cards at reasonable prices.

No, everyone has way inflated prices.

Quote from: @man_daddio on January 01, 2022, 03:32:27
And to those who just want to inject politics into this Trump has nothing to do with GPU prices being as high as they are today. Especially, in taxation state European Union.
If anyone has a gripe with US policy Biden is President not Trump. He is running things to the ground. That won't help the US or trade policy.
Trump was trying to even things out before the virus. It was working. But he never got to finish unfortunately.
Now progressives took over and the market sucks again.

Irrelevant/incorrect. Politics never had an influence on this specific problem.

Quote from: @man_daddio on January 01, 2022, 03:32:27
Remember these cheap prices we got used to were because of cheap labor around the world. Shall we feel good about that?

No, this is simply incorrect. Those people are still paid the same. The problem is that those creating the chips were asked to halt production, combined with people buying more hardware due to being indoors a whole lot, combined with shipping being difficult at the moment. They were asked to halt production because of an overlapping market misjudging their sales badly.

Quote from: @man_daddio on January 01, 2022, 03:32:27
A lot of today's troubles are from pandemic issues. And scalper mentality from retailers & individuals.

Mostly yes, but retailers generally aren't too bad. They're just working with what they have, which is much less than they wanted.

The reason I know some things about the chip-makers is because my family company deals with them. They're not even remotely close to catching up with the demand.

This will mostly blow over when the chip production catches up, but there's no guarantee that'll be before 2023.

You literally added politics in the article all by yourself. You are an absolute idiot just like the trump man you idolize. STOP IT!!! Get a vaccine maybe that will help get the dumb out of you. See... I too can make absolutely no sense just like yourself. 🙃🤐🤭

This article really has nothing interesting to read.
Retailers are raising prices because they can.
I know this because respectable companies are still selling cards at reasonable prices.
And to those who just want to inject politics into this Trump has nothing to do with GPU prices being as high as they are today. Especially, in taxation state European Union.
If anyone has a gripe with US policy Biden is President not Trump. He is running things to the ground. That won't help the US or trade policy.
Trump was trying to even things out before the virus. It was working. But he never got to finish unfortunately.
Now progressives took over and the market sucks again.
Remember these cheap prices we got used to were because of cheap labor around the world. Shall we feel good about that?
A lot of today's troubles are from pandemic issues. And scalper mentality from retailers & individuals.

> Cryptokid

Oi, you really thought coining a few simple terms will add credibility to your baseless claims? You're full of s*** - and a complete idiot if you actually believe what you wrote.

Another shitty article from notebookcheck what a NOT surprise  ;D further proof the world ended in 2012 please write a good article for once