Quote from: Răzvan Rugescu on August 24, 2022, 19:59:23I like the classic timeless design of the P17 Gen2 as a true ThinkPad workstation. The bezels don't bother me, it doesn't need to be fancy for its purpose. If one wants something fancy, get a Mac! ;)

Thinkpads are literally one of the fanciest, most expensive laptops in the whole market. They are known as the "suit" of laptops for a good reason.

I like the classic timeless design of the P17 Gen2 as a true ThinkPad workstation. The bezels don't bother me, it doesn't need to be fancy for its purpose. If one wants something fancy, get a Mac! ;)

So do I. I wonder if those bezels aren't coming along the Milspec sturdiness? Are the visually more pleasing models like X1 still as tough as these?

Regarding performance - not defending it, but perhaps the performance here stands for ability to sustain it for long periods of time (=not throttle), even when combined with high GPU load?

Overall I like ThinkPad looks, but its long overdue with those giant bezels from 2000s.

Why Notebookchekc says high performance? The 11800 do not reach 14000 points in Cinebench R23 multi and specially the GPU is very weak,
Only 4Gb memory in a 2500 euro laptop when for example a render engine like Redshift requires at least 8Gb.