Quote from: kek on May 26, 2021, 18:45:48

Quote from: BeepBeep2 on May 26, 2021, 08:36:35
"Stays cooler and is more energy efficient due to lower performance"... are you serious? In the comparison review you concluded that both machines were "equally warm" - your own testing also showed the Ryzen system using only 1.2 to 4w more total system power under load, 4-14% less run time for video and browsing, and 29% better run time under load which would apparently give the impression that the Intel machine is using more power than you recorded. Also, if it does half the work for basically the same amount of load run time how is that more efficient?

What was the point of this second article other than to paint a misleading picture for people that don't want to look at the data?

As always, AMD fans come to jump the gun lol. Enjoy waiting 2 months for your laptop to arrive.

Do you understand what "jump the gun" means? I didn't comment as an AMD fan, I commented to expose lies. The review shows the Intel chip with slightly better video and web browsing run time, and 1/3 worse load run time with half of the load performance. About 2.5x worse performance per watt at load. How is that a reason to buy it for "better energy efficiency due to lower performance"?

BTW, I already have a nice 12-core desktop and 8-core laptop which I bought two months ago (which arrived in 2 days)... battery lasts 14 hours under light use and no intention to upgrade any time soon.

How in the world is this a logical comparison?
Was this review first submitted to intel before publishing?
Whether it's raw power or efficiency intel has fallen behind ever since Renoir. And that hasn't changed. Don't try to sugarcoat things for intel.
Reviews like these are the reason why intel isn't even trying to actually innovate in anything other than marketing...

Quote from: kek on May 26, 2021, 18:45:48

Quote from: BeepBeep2 on May 26, 2021, 08:36:35
"Stays cooler and is more energy efficient due to lower performance"... are you serious? In the comparison review you concluded that both machines were "equally warm" - your own testing also showed the Ryzen system using only 1.2 to 4w more total system power under load, 4-14% less run time for video and browsing, and 29% better run time under load which would apparently give the impression that the Intel machine is using more power than you recorded. Also, if it does half the work for basically the same amount of load run time how is that more efficient?

What was the point of this second article other than to paint a misleading picture for people that don't want to look at the data?

As always, AMD fans come to jump the gun lol. Enjoy waiting 2 months for your laptop to arrive.

We would enjoy waiting for months than getting throttled again with latest and greatest Intel offer every single time.

Quote from: BeepBeep2 on May 26, 2021, 08:36:35
"Stays cooler and is more energy efficient due to lower performance"... are you serious? In the comparison review you concluded that both machines were "equally warm" - your own testing also showed the Ryzen system using only 1.2 to 4w more total system power under load, 4-14% less run time for video and browsing, and 29% better run time under load which would apparently give the impression that the Intel machine is using more power than you recorded. Also, if it does half the work for basically the same amount of load run time how is that more efficient?

What was the point of this second article other than to paint a misleading picture for people that don't want to look at the data?

As always, AMD fans come to jump the gun lol. Enjoy waiting 2 months for your laptop to arrive.

"Efficiency" is related to PERFORMANCE PER WATT, while the watt usage is just called "power draw". No way the intel cpu is more "efficient" here :)

Quote from: BeepBeep2 on May 26, 2021, 08:36:35
"Stays cooler and is more energy efficient due to lower performance"... are you serious? In the comparison review you concluded that both machines were "equally warm" - your own testing also showed the Ryzen system using only 1.2 to 4w more total system power under load, 4-14% less run time for video and browsing, and 29% better run time under load which would apparently give the impression that the Intel machine is using more power than you recorded. Also, if it does half the work for basically the same amount of load run time how is that more efficient?

What was the point of this second article other than to paint a misleading picture for people that don't want to look at the data?

Thanks for exposing NBC. As long as they have intel up their arse they won't be honest.

"Stays cooler and is more energy efficient due to lower performance"... are you serious? In the comparison review you concluded that both machines were "equally warm" - your own testing also showed the Ryzen system using only 1.2 to 4w more total system power under load, 4-14% less run time for video and browsing, and 29% better run time under load which would apparently give the impression that the Intel machine is using more power than you recorded. Also, if it does half the work for basically the same amount of load run time how is that more efficient?

What was the point of this second article other than to paint a misleading picture for people that don't want to look at the data?