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Posted by spam
 - April 13, 2021, 16:15:30
I'm personally waiting till the 12th gen intel mobile processors come out. The difference between eighth gen (8750h) and later gens are just not significant enough. If its true that 12th actually doubles performance then that is something to upgrade for. (nvidia cards definitely give me a reason to upgrade from my gtx 1060 but i'm just waiting on intel now...)
Posted by _MT_
 - April 05, 2021, 14:38:10
Quote from: Stas on April 04, 2021, 17:48:38
Yep, things have gotten a lot more complicated over the years. I, myself, was looking to get a Ryzen 9 5900X as my next upgrade, but could not.

Now I have decided to ride it out with my 14-nm Core i7-6700K until the Alder Lake chips come out, or the pricing for AMD CPUs normalises. The 11th Gen parts are just not compelling enough for me.
At this point, I would be inclined to wait for AM5. Unless a computer is urgently needed. Especially for an APU (hopefully DDR5 + PCIe 4.0 + RDNA 2 I guess - that's what I call an upgrade). Alder Lake could be an option. We'll have to wait and see. That hybrid architecture leaves a big question mark (e.g. how well will Windows handle it, what it means for virtualization etc.).

Also, CPUs are not the biggest problem at the moment. I can buy a decent CPU. Perhaps not the one I fancy the most, but a decent one nonetheless. The GPU situation is just absurd. I have just checked two big retailers of PC components only to find out they have exactly zero stock of "gaming" GPUs. Absolute zero. About the only thing in stock is the low-end (710, 1030, that sort of crap). When I looked around, I found a few small retailers (the only ones who claimed to have stock) trying to sell 3070s for the price 3090s were selling for after launch and 3080s for Titan RTX money.
Posted by JayN
 - April 05, 2021, 04:18:03
If you need the new features ... pcie4, avx512, dlboost, xe gpu, faster ddr support, better display support ... then Rocket Lake is an upgrade over Comet Lake.  Not clear why it is so easy for reviews to overlook these features.
Posted by Stas
 - April 04, 2021, 17:48:38
Quote from: _MT_ on April 04, 2021, 08:44:47
That would depend on how well it does. I haven't bothered checking and I don't have high hopes. The whole 700/ 700K/ 900/ 900K situation is unfortunate. In the sense that it's not exactly clear what you should buy without seeing benchmarks. It's too artificial. Like they had to have four models instead of axing something. They had something similar with 9700/ 9900. Except 9700 lacked SMT. Making things easier to judge. As long as you know what kind of effect SMT has in your workload. The problem there were motherboards. Many didn't play by the rules (messing around with power limits). Complicating selection and testing as well (few people bothered controlling for it).

EU. The Czech Republic specifically. Although I'm most of the time elsewhere, that's my reference point (Germany is second in line).

Yep, things have gotten a lot more complicated over the years. I, myself, was looking to get a Ryzen 9 5900X as my next upgrade, but could not.

Now I have decided to ride it out with my 14-nm Core i7-6700K until the Alder Lake chips come out, or the pricing for AMD CPUs normalises. The 11th Gen parts are just not compelling enough for me.
Posted by _MT_
 - April 04, 2021, 08:44:47
Quote from: Stas on April 03, 2021, 16:49:45
By the way, what is your region?

In any case, I am not surprised that the 11900K is not widely unavailable. I reckon it is more of a collectors' edition item than a CPU that Intel actually wants to sell to a lot of people.
That would depend on how well it does. I haven't bothered checking and I don't have high hopes. The whole 700/ 700K/ 900/ 900K situation is unfortunate. In the sense that it's not exactly clear what you should buy without seeing benchmarks. It's too artificial. Like they had to have four models instead of axing something. They had something similar with 9700/ 9900. Except 9700 lacked SMT. Making things easier to judge. As long as you know what kind of effect SMT has in your workload. The problem there were motherboards. Many didn't play by the rules (messing around with power limits). Complicating selection and testing as well (few people bothered controlling for it).

EU. The Czech Republic specifically. Although I'm most of the time elsewhere, that's my reference point (Germany is second in line).
Posted by gemini019
 - April 03, 2021, 19:36:32
Some Youtubers and websites created too much hype for AMD that the price skyrocketed. As a result AMD is now far worse value than Intel. Yes, I know AMD also increased the price in their new generation. But most of the blame shouldn't go to AMD. It is the hypetrain that drove the price up to an extent where it makes zero economic sense to buy over Intel.
Posted by Stas
 - April 03, 2021, 16:49:45
Quote from: Stas on April 03, 2021, 16:37:25
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Quote from: _MT_ on April 03, 2021, 16:10:39
Are you sure the 11900K was even released in Russia? Around here, it wasn't. 900, 700, 700K, 600K are all in stock and shipping. But 11900K has only placeholders.

By the way, what is your region?

In any case, I am not surprised that the 11900K is not widely unavailable. I reckon it is more of a collectors' edition item than a CPU that Intel actually wants to sell to a lot of people.
Posted by Stas
 - April 03, 2021, 16:37:25
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Quote from: _MT_ on April 03, 2021, 16:10:39
Are you sure the 11900K was even released in Russia? Around here, it wasn't. 900, 700, 700K, 600K are all in stock and shipping. But 11900K has only placeholders.

Why did you highlight "Visit the Intel Store," implying that it's Intel's offering (11900K). Instead of highlighting "Sold by M-X-C Tech." I imagine they can set whatever price they want (especially if there is practically zero stock). While we have zero stock of 11900K, placeholders are nowhere near $1k. IIRC, they are about €100 above 11900. Not that it's great value. Just nowhere near what you're trying to present.

Of course, the Core i9-11900K is selling in Russia on OZON (Russia's version of Amazon) and you can also buy it on www.citilink.ru.

DNS usually pays for hardware in advance in cash, so it is not surprising it has decided to pass on the Core i9-11900K. DNS has over 1900 locations in Russia and moves a lot of PC components both online and through its brick-and-mortar stores. It also sells a lot of pre-builds under the DEXP brand.

By the way, I highlighted the "Visit the Intel Store" bit just to meme up a little. I know that in reality the Core i9-11900K is not so poorly priced.
Posted by _MT_
 - April 03, 2021, 16:10:39
Are you sure the 11900K was even released in Russia? Around here, it wasn't. 900, 700, 700K, 600K are all in stock and shipping. But 11900K has only placeholders.

Why did you highlight "Visit the Intel Store," implying that it's Intel's offering (11900K). Instead of highlighting "Sold by M-X-C Tech." I imagine they can set whatever price they want (especially if there is practically zero stock). While we have zero stock of 11900K, placeholders are nowhere near $1k. IIRC, they are about €100 above 11900. Not that it's great value. Just nowhere near what you're trying to present.
Posted by Redaktion
 - April 03, 2021, 13:58:55
Intel has officially released its Rocket Lake-S processors, but to many people's surprise, the new chips are positioned to compete not only with Zen 3 parts but also with the older Comet Lake-S processors.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-is-competing-against-itself-but-why.530704.0.html