And nowhere is mentioned WHY Apple is faster. Apple would not be faster, but slower, if they would use same 7nm node as AMD. AMD zen is also 4years old, Apple silicon is new and on 5nm node. It is unfair to compare and not mention this fact.

Quote from: kek on March 16, 2021, 15:34:13
Good for you, but being honest, jumping to M1 right now is not reccommended imo. We dont know if all programs will get translated to it or when will they arrive.

It depends. You should be prepared for the possibility and if that is a deal-breaker, you might want to wait. I use an ultrabook-type machine primarily to take care of mail and messages in general, giving presentations, that sort of stuff. MBA will accomplish that. I can do more, but I can live with it not being able to.

As long as it has a healthy user base and there is actually someone maintaining it, it should be just a matter of time. It should be sooner rather than later. Apple will stop producing x86 machines in the near future and Rosetta is only a temporary solution. The people truly screwed and with little certainty are those who need Windows, whether they dual-booted or used virtual machines. All is not lost, but it's going to be a longer, more complicated and less certain journey. For me, personally, one issue is accounting software which is Windows-only.

Quote from: SimonB on March 17, 2021, 07:49:26
I mean you're not putting this forward as a serious comparison right? If
AMD is an F1 car and M1 is a rally car, you can't compare the amd to the M1 round a dirt track, it's not designed for that. The architecture of ryzen is specifically designed to optimise for dual threads on a single core, a fair comparison therefore would be a dual threaded work load on a single core, you would then see that single core performance of AMD is way ahead of the M1.

That depends on a workload. Sure, you need to understand what you are actually comparing. You need to be able to interpret data. For example, for gaming, it makes sense to look at single thread (not core) performance. If you run a gaming benchmark, you'll probably see very little difference between SMT on and off (and the impact of SMT could actually be negative). But you've got to realize that the core might be underutilized and might have more to offer.

What we care about is how a processor does in workloads that matter to us. Saying that it wasn't designed for them is a poor excuse. It would mean it's irrelevant to us. That can't be right. Ryzen is aimed at consumers and office workloads. SMT exists to increase the utilization of resources in a core, resulting in better performance, value and even energy efficiency. Getting the same utilization without it is more difficult, indicating a superior design. However, once SMT is present, you might be able to take advantage of it. And you might produce software that's a lot faster on cores with SMT. Moving the goal posts for what a core without SMT has to manage to be competitive in that workload.

The problem is that the benefit of SMT is highly dependent on workload. Straight up single thread performance is much more straight forward and with broader application. It's a more consistent benefit.

I mean you're not putting this forward as a serious comparison right? If
AMD is an F1 car and M1 is a rally car, you can't compare the amd to the M1 round a dirt track, it's not designed for that. The architecture of ryzen is specifically designed to optimise for dual threads on a single core, a fair comparison therefore would be a dual threaded work load on a single core, you would then see that single core performance of AMD is way ahead of the M1.

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Quote from: Prasad Tiruvalluri on March 16, 2021, 13:16:31
What is the use. I have an M1 MBP and I don't have any software to practically use it for. If Adobe suite doesn't come through, it's dead on arrival

Hi, I have been a music producer who used FL Studio for the past 9 years. I used FL Studio because after doing some research, I came upon two softwares, FL Studio and Logic Pro, but one was for macOS, and being a windows user at the time, I didn't want to jump ship to another operating system, because MacBooks had nothing better to offer at the time. But, I recently jumped ship to a MBP M1 because of the M1's performance. I realized that FL studio didn't work on it, so I payed for Logic Pro, and I gotta admit, it's an amazing piece of software. Given, I had to get used to it, like any new software, but now I realize that it is much better than FL studio because I don't have to install any new plugins.

TLDR, apple's suite of professional programs (ie Final Cut Pro, Logic Pro, etc.), which are completely native to M1, can be much better than windows alternatives, and that's the main reason I jumped to macOS.

Good for you, but being honest, jumping to M1 right now is not reccommended imo. We dont know if all programs will get translated to it or when will they arrive.

Quote from: Prasad Tiruvalluri on March 16, 2021, 13:16:31
What is the use. I have an M1 MBP and I don't have any software to practically use it for. If Adobe suite doesn't come through, it's dead on arrival

Hi, I have been a music producer who used FL Studio for the past 9 years. I used FL Studio because after doing some research, I came upon two softwares, FL Studio and Logic Pro, but one was for macOS, and being a windows user at the time, I didn't want to jump ship to another operating system, because MacBooks had nothing better to offer at the time. But, I recently jumped ship to a MBP M1 because of the M1's performance. I realized that FL studio didn't work on it, so I payed for Logic Pro, and I gotta admit, it's an amazing piece of software. Given, I had to get used to it, like any new software, but now I realize that it is much better than FL studio because I don't have to install any new plugins.

TLDR, apple's suite of professional programs (ie Final Cut Pro, Logic Pro, etc.), which are completely native to M1, can be much better than windows alternatives, and that's the main reason I jumped to macOS.

What is the use. I have an M1 MBP and I don't have any software to practically use it for. If Adobe suite doesn't come through, it's dead on arrival