Quote from: JayN on March 14, 2021, 19:05:51
"...Zen 4 would need to be an absolute disaster for everything to come up roses for Team Blue. "

Will zen4 support Optane DIMMs, dlboost, amx tiled matrix operations, CXL?  Sapphire Rapids  will, and is already broadly sampled.

You might as well have asked "Will Zen 4 have Intel branding?". That last bit is especially amusing - sampling or not, Intel still haven't even released Ice Lake SP. This is projected for a 2022-2023 time-frame. Derp.

"...Zen 4 would need to be an absolute disaster for everything to come up roses for Team Blue. "

Will zen4 support Optane DIMMs, dlboost, amx tiled matrix operations, CXL?  Sapphire Rapids  will, and is already broadly sampled.

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Here here Intel go to sleep now and dream of a world with 14+++++++++++++ nm

Intel don't have a clue what they should be making. Because in the server space 2 years from now AMD is not your biggest competitive opponent!
It's going to be ARM!

Last year Apple crushed the x86 world in performance per watt....and next few months there is going to be a even harder blow when the A14x chips come with about 1.7 times the performance. With a bit more power consumption.. But kicking the a** of all the x86 chips in single core and Performance multi core on par with amd 5900x Intel 10900k

But it's apple right? Apple showed other arm cpu manufacturers how to emulate x86 code and run it great at a fraction of the tdp a Intel chip....

Performance per watt is the number 1 thing big data centers look for. You bet that all the other companies already started there copiers. Next few years we are going to move away from x86 because performance and per watt is just amazing and on par. Microsoft Linux are all supporting arm and I see next few years x86 is slowly starting to get fade out... ARM is just that good.
These two should really stop putting there energy in x86 and come up with something new.

Quote from: Evilpaul on March 12, 2021, 16:27:40
Isn't Moore's Law Is Dead the BS rumor mill that's wrong about everything you can't predict by incrementing numbers?

Nope. He got Navi 2, Zen 3 etc etc right, months before there was even a hint of release.
I think there's a lot more as well.
He did get the SMT 4 wrong, but he was doubtful of it's implementation in a real chip anyway.
Now he's talking about the small cores of the next gen intel desktop hybrid chips having ipc as good as skylake, which if true would be a massive upgrade. I don't like intel, but competition is always good.

The market for this will be so miniscule that I doubt AMD even cares.  More clickbait from Notebookcheck

Let me guess, intel gonna lose badly in tdp (50~100% more power) , barely edge the treadripper in single core (1~3% faster single core), loses in multi

But gonna advertise the hell out of its dgpu beating threadripper in gpu benchmark.

Bit of a bad product because no server needs a gpu like that because they need gpus that will be feasible for their workloads and epyc exists

Assuming it's true for the sake of argument, the question is what would it be good for. It would be a complete waste in a typical server. Because the software has zero use for a GPU. And there are GPU servers that can host from 8 to 20 GPUs. Server configurations are tuned to workloads. An all-in-one solution has very little flexibility. APUs are great in laptops and small desktops. Servers usually don't have issues with space. If they release such a thing, it will probably be a specialized and targeted product.

Haaahaaaaaaaa.

EPYC.

Isn't Moore's Law Is Dead the BS rumor mill that's wrong about everything you can't predict by incrementing numbers?

for me is enought 8c/12t big.LITTLE (4c-4C/4t-8T) with 128EU iGPU 10 E.SuperFin  ::)