Apart from being a bad service to customers by not revealing the full specs of the product they're expected to purchase, it also makes no sense because that shouldn't be the case from a product design perspective. Is MSI saying they will use the same thermal design for 80watts and 120watts gpu configurations because they can't distinguish the differences?

Not only is this clearly BS, but it doesn't even matter. Something being "too hard" is not an excuse for not properly informing customers about what they're buying. If that were true, and it really were too difficult, then they just shouldn't sell the products at all, period. So no matter how you look at it, whether you buy their "excuse" or not, it's BS, and they're screwing their customers either out of laziness or incompetence, you pick. Just one more reason to avoid all this nonsense and buy AMD.

You know after their CEO was killed by the CCP, MSI's been in terminal decline. #GameStonk

Thank you China for eroding Taiwanese culture, democracy, freedom and western values.

The CEO of computer hardware and motherboard maker MSI has died after falling from his company's headquarters in New Taipei, Taiwan.

Charles Chiang was discovered outside MSI's offices in the Zhonghe District after he plummeted from the seventh floor of the building. How and why he fell is under a police investigation though it's thought "external intervention," was not a factor, local news reports.

Chiang's body was found by employees at around 1pm on July 7, local time, after they heard the sound of the fall and rushed to his aid. He was found unresponsive, and taken to hospital where he was pronounced dead.

"General Manager and Executive Mr Changjiang Shengchang passed away earlier due to personal health factors," MSI's spokespeople told local media TVBS.

I love my GS63 but it seems like rver decision MSI has made since building that device just pushes me further away from them.  I think this is the decision that ensures I buy my next power laptop from someone else.

MSI has never been a shining beacon of transparency, but this is a new low.

Very shady and disappointing to say the least.

People should have a minimum of information when buying a configuration that sometimes cost 3000+ Eur/usd without having to beg MSI...

80W 3080 is a 3080 only by its name..Nvidia should have given less freedom for the OEM since they are confusing everyone including their own representatives.

If they are happy with the backlash, the low/medium quality 3000$ laptops and the sales...good for them, for me, for the first time in 11 years I will  build a desktop PC, maybe a mini-itx because laptops became confusing, prone to throttling, expensive whilst still using crappy plastics, bad thermal paste, cheap li-po batteries etc...they never learn.

Only the modern Razer blade seem to introduce some quality in the barebone (sadly not their battery..)

When there is such a wide range of values, the only thing consumers can do is vote with their wallets, if the oem won't tell us then don't buy from that oem and if others are out of stock, just wait for them.

I am justified to never consider a MSI product then.

Thank you very much for this reporting!. Please keep reporting on it and pushing back on these manufacturers. They are trying to SCAM unknowing consumers who do not know the difference and this is WRONG.

Eluktronics is also explicitly stating GPU power limits on their product webpages. E.g. for Max-17; 3060 (Max-P TDP: 90~115 Watts, OC Options: Up to 130 Watts with Dynamic Boost*), 3070 (Max-P TDP: 115 Watts, OC Options: TGP Adjustable up to 125 Watts + 15 Watts via Dynamic Boost for a maximum of 140 Watts*) and 3080 (Max-P TDP: 115 Watts, OC Options: TGP Adjustable up to 125 Watts + 15 Watts via Dynamic Boost for a maximum of 140 Watts!*) and so on for other products. That is the way it should be

Apparently, it is not at all confusing to throw dozens of non sense terminology at product description but very confusing to write TWP: *** W. 👏👏👏

MSI is telling us complete nonsense. No, it's not difficult telling the exact wattage of the card - that parameter is set by them. If it's so difficult - why the newcomer in the laptop market, XPG, are doing this easily? They just want to play NVIDIA scam game making things more complicated to the customers, creating a complete mess when 3060 in one laptop beats 3080 in another laptop, 3070 in one laptop beats 3080 and falls short of 2070 in another laptop, etc, etc. ScamVIDIA and their "partners" have been fooling people for quite a time already, now they just want to make one step further and make choosing and comparing laptops a complete nightmare.

And  the real fans of MSI laptops will move on to better choices.
Big mistake and they will loose many sales.
If they want to play this stupid game , screw them.

Even if you don't boycott per se, no sane person would buy before reviews confirm the TGP

Shameful behavior from MSI, worth boycotting all the way