Quote from: _MT_ on January 17, 2021, 18:15:09
The problem is that Microsoft isn't Apple. Apple did a much better job of transitioning to displays with higher pixel density. Windows is simply junk...

I have the impression that you have not used Windows 10. And if you have "tried it", then you simply did not delve into the display settings at different resolutions. Yes, this is not entirely obvious for a weak user, but it is quite possible to set up a comfortable display.
By the way, I have a friend who has been using Macs for 6 years and he is actively considering laptops specifically for Windows.

You say that FHD is enough for games. I have nothing against. Everyone chooses what he/she likes. But I like a picture with a good pixel density much better. Even if it's upscailing.

Quote from: Alexander_ on January 17, 2021, 12:50:53
1. If you are going to play everything on a laptop first, then it will probably be connected to the power supply. And here the talk about autonomy no longer matters much.
2. The fact that laptops with good panels are more expensive shouldn't mean that they don't need to be made.
Macbooks are a prime example of this: almost all come with a good pixel density. And people buy a lot of these.

The problem is that Microsoft isn't Apple. Apple did a much better job of transitioning to displays with higher pixel density. Windows is simply junk. Of course, it's easier for Apple as they only have to support their own hardware. But Microsoft could have avoided the problem. There was support for scaling going way back. They never got it to work properly. And most people didn't care because they didn't need it. Until higher DPI came around. And suddenly, it was a problem that nobody cared about how well the scaling works. It's the old story of Microsoft being incompetent when it comes to spit and polish. This isn't really a problem for gaming in particular, but it is a problem in general.

I think you should read his comment again. I don't think he wrote anything about "4k" gaming. A lot of people actually game at 1920x1080 and in that case, it's best to have a display that supports that resolution natively. Or integer multiple. Like 3840x2160. As it allows trivial scaling. A separate issue is that higher native resolution will impact battery life. At all times. Which can matter. Perhaps not really a factor for full-fat gaming laptops (just like workstations, not very portable), but a factor for laptops in general. The difference in power consumption while gaming doesn't have to be that large as you'll be playing at different frame rates. Of course, you could limit frame rate. It's the more mundane stuff where it really matters.

Quote from: Owen on January 15, 2021, 15:34:43
So 5600H and 3060 version would cost $1,500? That is expensive indeed

Keep dreaming. If you want G14/G15 with 3060 you will have to pay an extra $$$ for 8 cores and UHD.

Quote from: Dorby on January 16, 2021, 19:06:32...
4K UHD is still very expensive for the vast majority and costs a lot of power to drive 4x as many pixels as a QHD display. ....

1. If you are going to play everything on a laptop first, then it will probably be connected to the power supply. And here the talk about autonomy no longer matters much.
2. The fact that laptops with good panels are more expensive shouldn't mean that they don't need to be made.
Macbooks are a prime example of this: almost all come with a good pixel density. And people buy a lot of these.

I wholeheartedly disagree with the other comments.

These are gaming laptops, and having the FHD screen option allows you to play games at their native resolution without downscaling to 1080p on a QHD screen, which doesn't look great on a big screen monitor, even worse on a small screen laptop. In addition, for reading text, font rendering in general on Windows 10 is not much better on higher resolution beyond 1440p due to ClearType being problematic.

4K UHD is still very expensive for the vast majority and costs a lot of power to drive 4x as many pixels as a QHD display. Until we develop a technology to be able to get solid 12hrs of work-day battery on a 4K display on a laptop at less than 1 watt power consumption, Low-Power 1080p IPS displays will always be around.

Not to mention lowering the base cost of already overblown laptop prices

What matters more is portable screens moving onto HDR1000 and 10-bit color support, thanks to the introduction of longer-life OLED and the new miniLED technology with lower power consumption.

So I propose to abandon FHD, or, at least, that there would always be options with WQHD and 4K.

I'm just talking about the fact that FHD on such a screen can be convenient only for people with not very good eyesight and this is their right to choose one for themselves.

Quote from: Alexander_ on January 16, 2021, 10:19:29
In the comments they write that you need 1080p.
I agree that everyone has different preferences, but I very much ask the same ASUS, do not bring this into the standard. Leave this low resolution for those with less than 100% vision.
If on such a diagonal 1080p, then this is a very small pixel density, which is very clearly visible to the naked eye and is not convenient.
4K or WQHD is a great option.

Couldn't agree more with this, it's 2021 and we really need to move past 1080p displays. I have a 4K display on my 13" HP and it is pin sharp, QHD resolution is perfect for on a 15" laptop for gaming purposes.

still no webcam on a 2021 laptop ?

These prices make the Zephyrus Duo 15 SE price seem much more reasonable.  Same processor, but 32GB ram, 2 NVME slots, 2 300hz 1080p screens that together give the same real-estate as a 17in and a 3070 with MUCH better cooling for 3k.

In the comments they write that you need 1080p.
I agree that everyone has different preferences, but I very much ask the same ASUS, do not bring this into the standard. Leave this low resolution for those with less than 100% vision.
If on such a diagonal 1080p, then this is a very small pixel density, which is very clearly visible to the naked eye and is not convenient.
4K or WQHD is a great option.

Quote from: Shanky on January 16, 2021, 07:43:02
I think for $ 1500, a GREAT combo for these Gaming+Professional laptop series could be - Ryzen 7 4800U—if and ONLY if it can sustain performance at 25W  for a long time (because its Geekbench scores are certainly better than 5600H, otherwise use a 5600H)—paired with a RTX 3060 mobile {better 3DMark scores than RTX 2070 mobile}.

Also, with that 90 Wh battery, battery life could be Mac M1 levels insane!

Sorry, for the CPU I was talking about the 5800U not 4800U

I think for $ 1500, a GREAT combo for these Gaming+Professional laptop series could be - Ryzen 7 4800U—if and ONLY if it can sustain performance at 25W  for a long time (because its Geekbench scores are certainly better than 5600H, otherwise use a 5600H)—paired with a RTX 3060 mobile {better 3DMark scores than RTX 2070 mobile}.

Also, with that 90 Wh battery, battery life could be Mac M1 levels insane!

Dear ASUS... Love your latest series of laptops but would you please stop soldering in memory and have two nvme.slots?????
There's plenty of space on the G15.
And switch to 16:10 displays. There's plenty of space on the lid

There will be a 5600HS version?
The 5900HS with a 3060 and the 1440p display costs 2299 € in Germany atm. I highly doubt there will be any 1500$ G15 anytime soon.

Hopefully, the config. with 5600HS / 5800HS (or atleast the 5800U) with RTX 3060/ 3070, 1080p 144Hz & 90 Wh is around $1,500.
Can one of the authors from Notebookcheck comment on this ?