@ _MT_ Enterprise computers use docks to quickly connect/disconnect the laptop from all devices in that desk. Those can either use a single mechanical connector (e.g., slider) or a single cable. Let's use a particular brand in this example, a Thinkpad. For quite some years now that it is pretty easy to get an Intel Thinkpad and a TB3 dock that will drive two 4K@60hz monitors, while still providing power to the computer and connectivity to all other USB peripherals (including an ethernet port in the dock itself), all of this using a single cable that is very quick to connect (and disconnect).

Right now, there is no AMD version of those laptops that can do this (with any dock), simply because the connectivity is insufficient from the get-go. As amazing as AMD silicon may look right now, the Ryzen Pro versions still aren't real contenders in this space until someone at AMD pulls their head out of their arse and realizes what the kind of connectivity the high-end and well-paying enterprise market needs.

Quote from: Anonym on January 07, 2021, 15:27:33
Nooooooo! Only USB 3.2, such a shame.
We really needed the TB3 compliance of USB 4 to get proper professional docking solutions, capable of driving two 4K@60hz monitors. It is a very sad day, 2021 will be yet another lost year in this regard.

Compatibility with Thunderbolt 3 is only optional (with the exception of hubs and "docks" AFAIK, to avoid consumer confusion I presume). What you really want, is the capability of USB4 to tunnel DisplayPort (rather than simply switch to alternate mode). Like Thunderbolt. Allowing you to send mixed traffic (picture + data) across a single port (USB + DP at the same time; and optionally PCIe as well, just like Thunderbolt).

The problem is that as minimum, only 20 Gb/s is required to be supported. 40 Gb/s is only optional. USB4 is supposed to be able to tunnel DP 1:4a and USB 3.2 (10 Gb/s at minimum, 20 Gb/s optionally). And that's enough for what you want. But 20 Gb/s is not enough to carry two "4k" @ 60 Hz signals unless I'm mistaken. I believe one monitor would take over 12 Gb/s. So, you'll need the 40 Gb/s variety of USB4. You only need the PCIe tunneling capability/ Thunderbolt compatibility if you want to use external PCIe/ Thunderbolt devices (GPUs, SSDs, network cards, that sort of thing).

A12 9800 decent APU, 2400G double perfs, 3400G recycled, 4700G re-recycled fortunatelly not sold, 5700G super recycled ... ah yeah another s*** proces. and people are complaining about intel for their 12nm....

the only good apus are in PS5/XboxX but exist Boot guard,

Quote from: John Smith on January 07, 2021, 15:24:52
Ryzen 5000 desktop has higher single threaded performance than Intel, making the better options for professionals as well as gamers.

I can only guess he is talking only mobile as he mentions no PCIe 4.0. Which is certainly not the case on desktop.

Nooooooo! Only USB 3.2, such a shame.
We really needed the TB3 compliance of USB 4 to get proper professional docking solutions, capable of driving two 4K@60hz monitors. It is a very sad day, 2021 will be yet another lost year in this regard.

@NikoB
Intel is still on their 14nm+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ node, while AMD has 7nm. smh

Quote from: NikoB on January 07, 2021, 14:46:23
AMD (include new mobile Zen3):
+:
Best perfomance in multi-thread applications
-:
1. No USB4.0 (aka TB4.0/3.0).
2. No pci-e 4.0
3. No AV1 decoder
5. Bad H265/Vp9 decoder (hybrid, not 100% hardware) in 2.5k+ especially. It have always drop V-sync for video in 50-60fps and huge cpu load.
4. No HDMI 2.1 (4k/120Гц 30-36bits 4:4:4 output) and Display Port 2.0 (8k/60Hz/30-36 bits monitors).
5. Bad memory performance - very huge memory latency vs Intel. Typical drop ~ -30% in atomic operations.
6. No neuroDSP.
7. Lower single-thread performance vs Intel for same year production.
8. No AVX512
9. x8 pci-e 3.0 dGPU link in H series.
10. very low mass production for mobile SoC's. Only 17% global market. Intel 83%. There is a monstrous shortage of AMD laptops, especially at reasonable prices.

Intel:
+:
1. USB4.0 (aka TB4.0/3.0). 2x2 scheme (2 left side, 2 right-side). With Ice Lake.
2. AV1 decoder.
3. HDMI 2.1 (by official presentation).
4. pci-e 4.0
5. Better single-threaded performance.
6. Best memory performance by latency - up to x1.5 vs AMD.
7. NeuroDSP (V1.0 in Ice Lake, V2.0 in Tiger Lake+).
8. AVX512
9. x16 pci-e 4.0 link to dGPU in H series.
10. Much better H265/VP9 decoders. Low cpu usage. Stable framerate.
11. Many times greater availability of solutions in retail. Sometimes the artificial improvement of models in some key things in favor of Intel (for example, the HP Omen 2020 has a full-fledged keyboard, and AMD has a stripped-down, which is why the demand for the AMD model is sharply worse).

-:
1. USB4.0(TB4.0/3.0) ports for many cheap laptops deliberately and despicably not  installed for marketing idiotic reasons. Because of this, laptops with Intel instantly lose their key advantage, for which Intel hardware buyers are forced to pay anyway, but the ugly marketers do not allow them to use ... Although the TB3.0 output costs a penny in terms of the cost of wiring on motherboards, i.e. to. all logic is already in SoC

2. DP2.0 is 100% fake (and 8k monitors) in Tiger Lake.

3. Very bad multi-threaded performance (and specially for one $ and one watt). Which leads to the need to overstate the consumption and leads to increased noise from the cooling system.

4. Very high prices. Constant problems with the ability to use all the key SoC capabilities for ugly marketing reasons, which finally buries the platform.

Ryzen 5000 desktop has higher single threaded performance than Intel, making the better options for professionals as well as gamers.

AMD (include new mobile Zen3):
+:
Best perfomance in multi-thread applications
-:
1. No USB4.0 (aka TB4.0/3.0).
2. No pci-e 4.0
3. No AV1 decoder
5. Bad H265/Vp9 decoder (hybrid, not 100% hardware) in 2.5k+ especially. It have always drop V-sync for video in 50-60fps and huge cpu load.
4. No HDMI 2.1 (4k/120Гц 30-36bits 4:4:4 output) and Display Port 2.0 (8k/60Hz/30-36 bits monitors).
5. Bad memory performance - very huge memory latency vs Intel. Typical drop ~ -30% in atomic operations.
6. No neuroDSP.
7. Lower single-thread performance vs Intel for same year production.
8. No AVX512
9. x8 pci-e 3.0 dGPU link in H series.
10. very low mass production for mobile SoC's. Only 17% global market. Intel 83%. There is a monstrous shortage of AMD laptops, especially at reasonable prices.

Intel:
+:
1. USB4.0 (aka TB4.0/3.0). 2x2 scheme (2 left side, 2 right-side). With Ice Lake.
2. AV1 decoder.
3. HDMI 2.1 (by official presentation).
4. pci-e 4.0
5. Better single-threaded performance.
6. Best memory performance by latency - up to x1.5 vs AMD.
7. NeuroDSP (V1.0 in Ice Lake, V2.0 in Tiger Lake+).
8. AVX512
9. x16 pci-e 4.0 link to dGPU in H series.
10. Much better H265/VP9 decoders. Low cpu usage. Stable framerate.
11. Many times greater availability of solutions in retail. Sometimes the artificial improvement of models in some key things in favor of Intel (for example, the HP Omen 2020 has a full-fledged keyboard, and AMD has a stripped-down, which is why the demand for the AMD model is sharply worse).

-:
1. USB4.0(TB4.0/3.0) ports for many cheap laptops deliberately and despicably not  installed for marketing idiotic reasons. Because of this, laptops with Intel instantly lose their key advantage, for which Intel hardware buyers are forced to pay anyway, but the ugly marketers do not allow them to use ... Although the TB3.0 output costs a penny in terms of the cost of wiring on motherboards, i.e. to. all logic is already in SoC

2. DP2.0 is 100% fake (and 8k monitors) in Tiger Lake.

3. Very bad multi-threaded performance (and specially for one $ and one watt). Which leads to the need to overstate the consumption and leads to increased noise from the cooling system.

4. Very high prices. Constant problems with the ability to use all the key SoC capabilities for ugly marketing reasons, which finally buries the platform.