Quote from: Redbot on December 19, 2020, 05:49:55
Reading some of the comments here calling AMD 4000 series better than Intel tiger lake makes me wonder how many fanboys AMD has and for no great reason. Ive been comparing AMD Renoir and intel Tiger lake side by side since the launch and I've seen tiger lake laptops are more responsive in almost all applications. Even for customers who use Adobe suite, some engineering software like autocad and games. I've seen some benchmarks like cinebench that run faster on AMD, but I haven't seen any customer that wants to run these on their laptops. Bottomline is if the price and other specs match tiger lake laptops are the obvious choice for the average laptop user.

The thing is, Tiger Lake can be better than Renoir, but it often isn't. To be fair, that's on the OEMs for pairing it with slow memory, but the fact is, there's enough variation in performance of Tiger Lake builds to cause hesitation in selecting one. Secondly, though Tiger Lake is better for single-threaded tasks and graphics performance, it's usually, if not always, worse in multi-threading, the graphics drivers are still problematic, leading to the graphics performance often actually being worse, and it's more expensive. Even in cases where it actually does perform better, Ryzen is still typically a better value. Finally, Tiger Lake should absolutely be faster than Renoir, and even if it were consistently so, which it is not, that wouldn't really be significant, because Renoir isn't its competition, Cezanne is.

The bottom line is Tiger Lake is struggling to compete with AMD's last-gen chip, sometimes beating it, sometimes not, and even when it does, it's not across the board. And AMD's new chip, which so far appears to be far better than Renoir and better than Tiger Lake, is almost here. So comparisons are made between Tiger Lake and Renoir, then people accuse those that favor AMD as "fanboys" while conveniently forgetting the fact that the only reason Intel is even doing as well as it is in those comparisons, which is to say decent but not great, is because they're comparing different generations of products.

Reading some of the comments here calling AMD 4000 series better than Intel tiger lake makes me wonder how many fanboys AMD has and for no great reason. Ive been comparing AMD Renoir and intel Tiger lake side by side since the launch and I've seen tiger lake laptops are more responsive in almost all applications. Even for customers who use Adobe suite, some engineering software like autocad and games. I've seen some benchmarks like cinebench that run faster on AMD, but I haven't seen any customer that wants to run these on their laptops. Bottomline is if the price and other specs match tiger lake laptops are the obvious choice for the average laptop user.

QuoteIntel versus AMD

I don't understand this narrative, Intel is blatantly demanding premium $$$ for meaningless 1188888888887G7 processor number, all this laptop does is show that Intel didn't learn his courtesy of Ryzen and M1 lesson and didn't even trying to capitalize on his only strength and didn't force OEMs to implement that 28W TDP.

Quote from: Florian Glaser on December 18, 2020, 11:04:03

Quote from: I Carumba on December 17, 2020, 23:42:26
Did Intel pay you to print this?

I imagine there will be a ton of intel vs AMD reviews coming from you in the next few weeks, only because intel got their latest CPU out a few weeks before AMD's new 5000 series hit the markets.

Do you feel dirty taking intel's money like this, as their shill?

In my opinion i made it pretty clear in the review that AMD is the better choice at the moment - even without Ryzen 5000.

It was such a daft and unwarranted post that I can't help but wonder whether it's actually a fanboy, or someone merely pretending to be one for ridiculous 4D-chess reasons.

Quote from: I Carumba on December 17, 2020, 23:42:26
Did Intel pay you to print this?

I imagine there will be a ton of intel vs AMD reviews coming from you in the next few weeks, only because intel got their latest CPU out a few weeks before AMD's new 5000 series hit the markets.

Do you feel dirty taking intel's money like this, as their shill?

In my opinion i made it pretty clear in the review that AMD is the better choice at the moment - even without Ryzen 5000.

Quote from: I Carumba on December 17, 2020, 23:42:26
Did Intel pay you to print this?

I imagine there will be a ton of intel vs AMD reviews coming from you in the next few weeks, only because intel got their latest CPU out a few weeks before AMD's new 5000 series hit the markets.

Do you feel dirty taking intel's money like this, as their shill?

Actually, I'm guessing MSI if anything, considering they recently had posts sponsored by them. And to be fair, this article was pretty upfront about AMD actually being better and simply said this is a good choice "you absolutely need an Intel CPU." NBC, like pretty much every other review site, is guilty of pro-Intel bias quite a bit, enough that there's plenty of articles in which to point out the bias without doing so anytime they mention Intel and AMD together. They should certainly be called out in cases of bias, but it loses its impact when done even when they're clearly not being biased.

Did Intel pay you to print this?

I imagine there will be a ton of intel vs AMD reviews coming from you in the next few weeks, only because intel got their latest CPU out a few weeks before AMD's new 5000 series hit the markets.

Do you feel dirty taking intel's money like this, as their shill?

Would love an AMD laptop. Need Thunderbolt though for music production, so I'm relegated to Intel until AMD+Thunderbolt laptops start coming out.