Quote from: Christopher VanZetta on September 18, 2020, 10:26:29
If it's anything like the 5700XT saying it has a 300 watt TDP will more so be like 400 watt's fully pegged.

Funny to see clueless people that still don't know how power targets work in 2020. ^^

Quote from: DanGer on September 19, 2020, 06:52:13
The 5700 xt with 40 CUs, double the CUs will be double the performance

Not so fast. It might sound logical in theory but usually doesn't work like that in real life. If it was always true then RTX 3080 would be twice as fast as RTX 2080 Ti. But as we know, by far it isn't.
I think RDNA 2 shaders will scale really well, but not linearly. But with more IPC and higher clock speed we could indeed see twice the performance of RX 5700 XT (or even more). And with the announced 50% better power efficiency all this could be done within 300W.

Quote from: bladefury on September 19, 2020, 09:54:05
Depends on the workload and clockspeed. I can make my 5700XT draw 275 watts easily. So flagship card will go beyond 300 watts when you OC or if you get a AIB card with factory OC.

Irrelevant. TDP always refers to the reference model. That's why custom models can have a different TDP.

Quote from: BROKEN on September 19, 2020, 10:38:03Hahahahaha
Good joke man.

Not really. 2080 Ti is ~40% faster than 5700 XT. 3080 is ~30% faster than 2080 Ti. With twice the performance of 5700 XT ... do the math yourself. ;)

Quote from: Jimbo on September 19, 2020, 21:56:09

Quote from: bladefury on September 19, 2020, 09:54:05

Quote from: Jimbo on September 18, 2020, 23:21:30

Quote from: Christopher VanZetta on September 18, 2020, 10:26:29
If it's anything like the 5700XT saying it has a 300 watt TDP will more so be like 400 watt's fully pegged.

You have literally not a clue what you are talking about. Why are you making up total BS? Do you actually believe what you wrote?

"In what might come as a surprise to some, the Radeon RX 5700 averages less power consumption through our Metro benchmark sequence than the company's 185W board power specification. We're accustomed to seeing launch numbers that push the boundaries of what companies like AMD and Nvidia tell us to expect. But in this case, even the 5700's worst-case peak lands shy of the paper ceiling."

"Power consumption jumps a bit under FurMark. However, our 182W average is still lower than AMD's 185W board power specification."

"Like its Radeon RX 5700, AMD's higher-end 5700 XT averages less power consumption through our three-loop benchmark sequence than the company's 225W board power specification."

Source: Tom's hardware review of 5700 and 5700xt - I'd post the link but I'm not allowed - check it for yourself.

Depends on the workload and clockspeed. I can make my 5700XT draw 275 watts easily. So flagship card will go beyond 300 watts when you OC or if you get a AIB card with factory OC.

Anandtech 5700xt review -- gaming power draw WHOLE system - not just the card) - 276w.

Guru3D 5700xt review maximum gaming power draw 238w

Techpowerup 5700xt review average gaming power draw 219w

Igor's lab 5700xt review gaming power consumption 224.9w
Igor's lab 5700xt review torture test power draw 219w

So pretty weird how yours is so far out of spec and not at all anywhere replicated in any of the 3rd party tests ... hmmm.

Unless you are suggesting the fully OCing the vram and GPU is going to increase it over the rated 225w? Congratulations Sherlock! That happens to every card. That's not what we're talking about here ... stay in context.

Lmfao those are reference cards. We all know that most people will buy AIB cards which will come factory overclocked. My card is a Taichi X. Consumed 270 watts out of the box, and i can put 100mhz more on that and make it go even higher. in furmark over 300 easily. "far out of stock" lmfao Here, look at it yourself and eat s*** dumbass. https:/ / www .techpowerup.com/review/asrock-radeon-rx-5700-xt-taichi-oc-plus/30.html

Quote from: bladefury on September 19, 2020, 09:54:05

Quote from: Jimbo on September 18, 2020, 23:21:30

Quote from: Christopher VanZetta on September 18, 2020, 10:26:29
If it's anything like the 5700XT saying it has a 300 watt TDP will more so be like 400 watt's fully pegged.

You have literally not a clue what you are talking about. Why are you making up total BS? Do you actually believe what you wrote?

"In what might come as a surprise to some, the Radeon RX 5700 averages less power consumption through our Metro benchmark sequence than the company's 185W board power specification. We're accustomed to seeing launch numbers that push the boundaries of what companies like AMD and Nvidia tell us to expect. But in this case, even the 5700's worst-case peak lands shy of the paper ceiling."

"Power consumption jumps a bit under FurMark. However, our 182W average is still lower than AMD's 185W board power specification."

"Like its Radeon RX 5700, AMD's higher-end 5700 XT averages less power consumption through our three-loop benchmark sequence than the company's 225W board power specification."

Source: Tom's hardware review of 5700 and 5700xt - I'd post the link but I'm not allowed - check it for yourself.

Depends on the workload and clockspeed. I can make my 5700XT draw 275 watts easily. So flagship card will go beyond 300 watts when you OC or if you get a AIB card with factory OC.

Anandtech 5700xt review -- gaming power draw WHOLE system - not just the card) - 276w.

Guru3D 5700xt review maximum gaming power draw 238w

Techpowerup 5700xt review average gaming power draw 219w

Igor's lab 5700xt review gaming power consumption 224.9w
Igor's lab 5700xt review torture test power draw 219w

So pretty weird how yours is so far out of spec and not at all anywhere replicated in any of the 3rd party tests ... hmmm.

Unless you are suggesting the fully OCing the vram and GPU is going to increase it over the rated 225w? Congratulations Sherlock! That happens to every card. That's not what we're talking about here ... stay in context.

It makes us wonder why Nvidia suddenly cut the price so significantly for their high end cards. AMD's big Navi is hitting the 3080 level.

Quote from: DanGer on September 19, 2020, 06:52:13
If these rumors are true big navi is going to outperform the rtx 3080. 

Hahahahaha
Good joke man.

Quote from: bladefury on September 19, 2020, 09:54:05

Quote from: Jimbo on September 18, 2020, 23:21:30

Quote from: Christopher VanZetta on September 18, 2020, 10:26:29
If it's anything like the 5700XT saying it has a 300 watt TDP will more so be like 400 watt's fully pegged.

You have literally not a clue what you are talking about. Why are you making up total BS? Do you actually believe what you wrote?

"In what might come as a surprise to some, the Radeon RX 5700 averages less power consumption through our Metro benchmark sequence than the company's 185W board power specification. We're accustomed to seeing launch numbers that push the boundaries of what companies like AMD and Nvidia tell us to expect. But in this case, even the 5700's worst-case peak lands shy of the paper ceiling."

"Power consumption jumps a bit under FurMark. However, our 182W average is still lower than AMD's 185W board power specification."

"Like its Radeon RX 5700, AMD's higher-end 5700 XT averages less power consumption through our three-loop benchmark sequence than the company's 225W board power specification."

Source: Tom's hardware review of 5700 and 5700xt - I'd post the link but I'm not allowed - check it for yourself.

Depends on the workload and clockspeed. I can make my 5700XT draw 275 watts easily. So flagship card will go beyond 300 watts when you OC or if you get a AIB card with factory OC.

You understand that overclocking by its very definition bypasses power limits and this invalidates TDP, right? I mean, the "250W" 2080Ti has OC models that often hit 320-330W.

Rated specifications are for stock operation. Tweaking power limits or overclocking is supposed to bypass this. That's a big part of the point of these features. It doesn't invalidate the spec whatsoever. Recent AMD GPUs have stuck pretty closely to the TBP number for actual power draw.

Quote from: Jimbo on September 18, 2020, 23:21:30

Quote from: Christopher VanZetta on September 18, 2020, 10:26:29
If it's anything like the 5700XT saying it has a 300 watt TDP will more so be like 400 watt's fully pegged.

You have literally not a clue what you are talking about. Why are you making up total BS? Do you actually believe what you wrote?

"In what might come as a surprise to some, the Radeon RX 5700 averages less power consumption through our Metro benchmark sequence than the company's 185W board power specification. We're accustomed to seeing launch numbers that push the boundaries of what companies like AMD and Nvidia tell us to expect. But in this case, even the 5700's worst-case peak lands shy of the paper ceiling."

"Power consumption jumps a bit under FurMark. However, our 182W average is still lower than AMD's 185W board power specification."

"Like its Radeon RX 5700, AMD's higher-end 5700 XT averages less power consumption through our three-loop benchmark sequence than the company's 225W board power specification."

Source: Tom's hardware review of 5700 and 5700xt - I'd post the link but I'm not allowed - check it for yourself.

Depends on the workload and clockspeed. I can make my 5700XT draw 275 watts easily. So flagship card will go beyond 300 watts when you OC or if you get a AIB card with factory OC.

Quote from: Ryan Clemens on September 19, 2020, 07:31:38

Quote from: DanGer on September 19, 2020, 06:52:13
double the CUs will be double the performance 

It doesn't work like this.

It does in some architectures if the clock speeds are same. and in this case, higher clockspeeds and better architecture on a refined node. pretty sure it will double the performance. Take 5500XT  vs 5700XT for an example.

Quote from: DanGer on September 19, 2020, 06:52:13
double the CUs will be double the performance 

It doesn't work like this.

If these rumors are true big navi is going to outperform the rtx 3080.  The 5700 xt with 40 CUs, double the CUs will be double the performance plus 12% faster clock speed and another 10% IPC.  All on a more efficient process.  I expect big navi to be significantly faster in 1440 and 4k.

Quote from: Christopher VanZetta on September 18, 2020, 10:26:29
If it's anything like the 5700XT saying it has a 300 watt TDP will more so be like 400 watt's fully pegged.

You have literally not a clue what you are talking about. Why are you making up total BS? Do you actually believe what you wrote?

"In what might come as a surprise to some, the Radeon RX 5700 averages less power consumption through our Metro benchmark sequence than the company's 185W board power specification. We're accustomed to seeing launch numbers that push the boundaries of what companies like AMD and Nvidia tell us to expect. But in this case, even the 5700's worst-case peak lands shy of the paper ceiling."

"Power consumption jumps a bit under FurMark. However, our 182W average is still lower than AMD's 185W board power specification."

"Like its Radeon RX 5700, AMD's higher-end 5700 XT averages less power consumption through our three-loop benchmark sequence than the company's 225W board power specification."

Source: Tom's hardware review of 5700 and 5700xt - I'd post the link but I'm not allowed - check it for yourself.

Quote from: Christopher VanZetta on September 18, 2020, 10:26:29
If it's anything like the 5700XT saying it has a 300 watt TDP will more so be like 400 watt's fully pegged.

Not accurate in the slightest.
5700xt actually stays pretty close to its TDP and for the record, whole system power draw is by about 10W larger than the system using 2070 Super.

So, please stop mentioning nonsense.

Also, My Vega 56 in PH517-61 laptop is limited to 120W.
It's only 5% behind the desktop version and doesn't even draw 120W when fully stressed.
I can easily overclock the core and HBM to almost reach Vega 64/1080 levels of performance without exceeding 120W limitation.... and it stays quiet and cool.

AMD GPU's are misjudged because AMD usually overvolts them from factory to increase the number of functional dies.
When undervolted, AMD gpu's are actually on par or better than their NV counterparts in terms of efficiency... and AMD usually comes with massive compute... meaning that a 5700xt for example can match NV RTX 2080 in compute based tasks (for a much lower price and power draw).

If it's anything like the 5700XT saying it has a 300 watt TDP will more so be like 400 watt's fully pegged.