@Adaiah Not that I'm buying into the whole SSD hype put forward by Sony, but you have quite a few wrong points there. First, hardware-wise, there is nothing spectacular about the Series X SSD: there is no shortage of today's PCIe 3 NVMe drives that far outperform those Series X numbers -- in fact, those numbers look very near to a cheap QLC NVMe drive. In turn, the PS5 has something new and unseen in the PC world: performance in-line with the still unannounced future PCIe 4 Samsung 980 Evo drives. Will this difference in SSD speed be that importat for gaming? Probably not. But facts are still facts.

Furthermore, the PS5 does have internal storage expandability through an additional user-accessible m.2 slot. That is, once those standard Samsung 980 Evo drives are announced, you can expand the PS5 internal storage with those standard Samsung drives (and probably other SSDs from other brands that meet the same performance targets, as competition is a thing and that slot is very much standard -- unlike Microsoft's proprietary slot).

One thing we do agree on, pricing will be a deciding factor. But your arguments about storage are simply wrong.

Quote from: itseme on August 22, 2020, 17:33:54What a nonsense, or people are really ...uhm, dumb?

XSS + Game Pass = $299 + $100(?) per year for like 150 games
- so for the price of a PS5 DE alone...you get an Xbox and lots of games (including all future titles), and can stream XSX quality later on via xCloud...

PS5 DE + 1 Game = $399 + $80 for ONE(! f*cking) game
- you can be sure, digital editions of games will cost sh*tload of money comparable to retail and as more DE are sold, there will be less sales etc, since you locked yourself into their very own store. well done!

Yes, Playstation needs a Netflix like videogame service NOW... maybe they should name it Playstation NOW. /s

PS5 DE is a more powerful console than the Series S, while GamePass is a superior service than PS Now. At the end of the day the PS5 DE is the full-blown PS5 (without the Blu-ray drive), not an inferior alternative to the console you wanted to get (but couldn't afford). That is a very powerful marketing message that sells units -- couple that with the exclusive games and you'll quickly see that Microsoft is in trouble should this be the actual pricing scheme.

I honestly find that game writers seem to be pulling for straw so to speak.  Then it seems no one wants to look at what MS is really doing.  Nor Sony's major issue with PS5.  For the most part a PC gaming computer is better than a series x but both consoles do have SSD that are custom and faster than any other SSD on the market.  Sony's is impressive but also currently their downfall.  The specs say the SSD is 825 GB, I can't help but wonder if the SSD is really 1TB and 175GB is for the UI and saved space for loading speeds of games. If not the PS5 is going to turn people away quickly.  I dont understand why people aren't talking about this more but Sony doesn't have additional storage options at this time... usb 3 devices don't work with PS5 games, there are zero SSD with 5gb read speed currently, and they are working on getting cloud service support from MS chances are for the first year you will only be able to play 4 games at any time on PS5 DE.  MS has two options currently a external SSD designed for series x and xcloud with game pass ultimate and SSDs will catch up to series x sooner.  There really is only two reasons to buy PS5 for VR and the exclusives they have.  MS honestly has bridged the gap between Switch and consoles with their partnership with Samsung.  Only instead of down graded games like you had on Vita and PSP and switch they have made it so you can play full games.   If you get a Note 10 plus (or any plus android) you have a bigger screen than the Switch with the controllers you can get now getting a Series X opens new doors that PS can't match.  As far as pricing goes the only actual leaks have series x at $599 and Xbox one S V2 (which is believed to be the series S) at $299.  The only PS leak for price was from a French Amazon site that had PS5 at $549 and PS5 DE at $487 converted.  Honestly Bloomberg reported it costs $450 to make the PS5 (no indication if that is DE or Disk) if disk than $499 is a reasonable expection but since the drive only costs $25-35 dollars there is no way $399 for DE is likely usually DE is only $50 less so $450 is reason to expect.  But l read recently I think from Frobes that series x chip cost $500 to make and both chips are similar so that Bloomberg $450 could just be the chip.  I honestly don't know nor can anyone but Sony and MS say they do other than AMD.  PS3 3D audio is actually not new but they have improved it and call it Pulse 3D audio which only works with what is likely to be $159+ new headphones.  But until ray tracing audio can be compared to Pulse 3D no one knows which is better.  While the 60fps rumor was fake devs have said the PS5 struggles with 120fps and that series x doesn't running the same game.  If the Xbox one S v2 is the series s than honestly MS is putting this out in order to make next gen somewhat more available to people who may not want to spend $599 or even $499 for a console.  The person who said it would have less power than the ps4 pro clearly does know the PS4 pros specs nor the Series S rumored specs... the series chip is in the rumored S with a SSD rather than the HD in the pro or one x and the PS4 pro only does 4tereflops the same as the series s rumor... so there is no way a device with a at least 10x more powerful chip better storage drive and equal computing is less powerful and is likely more capable than the one x also.  But what I find really interesting is the developers notes that they get the Lockhart name from would suggest that there are three systems not just two coming for xbox.  I say this because it reads.    xbox one s: default                             xbox one x: default, One S mode.                Project Scarlet: default, Anaconda, and Lockhart.   For xbox one default is clearly the system profile S or X respectively.  So the default by Scarlet would suggest there are three not two systems coming so if the 299 Xbox One S V2 really is a second version of the Xbox One S then we know nothing about the Series S except that it exists.   Most say Anaconda is the code name for the Series X this would mean the Series S would be the default.   Is it possible MS will have a $299, $450, $599 line up whereas Sony will have a $550, $450 line up.   I really think for those that don't buy the system online that people will turn away from the PS5 in the end simply because it is too big est dominions are 15" tall x 12" front the back x 3.5 to 4" wide thats almost the size of a compact PC tower.  Maybe I'm the only person who cares about physical size and expandable storage and portable gaming....

What a nonsense, or people are really ...uhm, dumb?

XSS + Game Pass = $299 + $100(?) per year for like 150 games
- so for the price of a PS5 DE alone...you get an Xbox and lots of games (including all future titles), and can stream XSX quality later on via xCloud...

PS5 DE + 1 Game = $399 + $80 for ONE(! f*cking) game
- you can be sure, digital editions of games will cost sh*tload of money comparable to retail and as more DE are sold, there will be less sales etc, since you locked yourself into their very own store. well done!

I got a laptop two months ago with the same hardware these systems have and they still aren't out yet.  Im gonna say it, cause that's what it is.  Counsels are just economy gaming computers.  PC rules and counsels drool!

the problem is when he/she/it says "ps5 will be an epic failure like ps4 was" it destroys any and all credibility that he/she/it even hoped to have. its at that point that the comment becomes simple garden variety douchebaggery that really has no merit- just an emotional outburst.  gonna need he/she/it and their ilk to go ahead and get covid and just leave it untreated.  the world wont lose anything.

Isn't this the same person who has been wrong pretty much every time he posts up a "leak"? Why is this guy still relevant? 🤔

Quote from: Dan Smith on August 20, 2020, 17:53:52
Ps fan boys are gonna hate. But the Xbox series x is so much stronger than the ps5 its not even worth it for Sony to release it.  It doesn't run 4k(it doesn't. Ive tested it) the ps5 is using split rdna1 and 2 while series x is all rdna 2. Ps5 will be another epic failure like the ps4. They will re release it as a PRO version later allegedly with better performance but that is unlikely as they didn't fix anything with the ps4 pro either..  upscale 4k is not NATIVE.  As a tester I can solidly say the ps5 is not worth the money at all.  I'll get one simply for the exclusives but I get sweet prices . If I was made to pay full price I wouldn't even consider putting one in my house.  As far as consoles go though XBOX has always had the superior system. But any real gamer knows PC is better than both lol.  Which brings me to one final point.  Microsoft windows Microsoft XBOX.   Compatibility is phenomenal and buying a disc game and being able to play it from my laptop 3 provinces away..thats an enormous advantage to the PS vs XBOX things.  I hate to say it but sonys fucked.  Should have stuck to making TVs and walkmans(which they are good at)

Dusk Golem, is that you?
It's the internet, you can say you are Bill Gates and no one will give a f*ck. All people care about are proofs. Care to show us a game that is running on the actual XSX instead of just spouting nonsense? Even Ms admitted that Halo gameplay reveal was indeed ran on a PC with "similar specs". And none other game was specified to run on XSX either.

Ps fan boys are gonna hate. But the Xbox series x is so much stronger than the ps5 its not even worth it for Sony to release it.  It doesn't run 4k(it doesn't. Ive tested it) the ps5 is using split rdna1 and 2 while series x is all rdna 2. Ps5 will be another epic failure like the ps4. They will re release it as a PRO version later allegedly with better performance but that is unlikely as they didn't fix anything with the ps4 pro either..  upscale 4k is not NATIVE.  As a tester I can solidly say the ps5 is not worth the money at all.  I'll get one simply for the exclusives but I get sweet prices . If I was made to pay full price I wouldn't even consider putting one in my house.  As far as consoles go though XBOX has always had the superior system. But any real gamer knows PC is better than both lol.  Which brings me to one final point.  Microsoft windows Microsoft XBOX.   Compatibility is phenomenal and buying a disc game and being able to play it from my laptop 3 provinces away..thats an enormous advantage to the PS vs XBOX things.  I hate to say it but sonys fucked.  Should have stuck to making TVs and walkmans(which they are good at)

@Noah Actually, if the Series X matched the rumored PS5 DE price, one could argue that for the price of a single upgrade to an RX5700 XT card you're getting the full package (8-core Ryzen, 16GB RAM, 1TB NVMe SSD, motherboard, PSU, case, gamepad, ...). That value argument didn't go unnoticed in my purchase planning, as is the reason why the PS5 DE edges the Xboxes within this pricing scheme (even if those nextgen games are yet to arrive). Things would change dramatically if the Series X price-matched the PS5 DE, only because I am already inside the Xbox ecosystem and would immediately benefit from the upgrade (the One S is just barely keeping up this generation).

@ScottJ For some reason the Xbox controller is so underrated by the general public, but was indeed one of the main reasons I chose the One S over the PS4 Slim. The ergonomics are just phenomenal, and I really enjoy the fact it uses regular AA rechargeable batteries -- I always have fully charged spares and have the peace of mind that my controller's life won't be dictated by the internal battery charging cycles. Brilliant!

I guess releasing a less powerful Xbox is cool for the price but when Sony has a 100 dollar less digital edition that doesn't skimp on power, I don't see why anyone would get the Xbox series S. If you want both you could get both for about a grand when it's said and done or if you have a pc just get a ps5. I don't see any reason to get an Xbox right now. It'll be a good buy in about a year but not at launch.

I will buy the xbox X and the cheaper Sony for the select game titles. This price war works out good for me so I hope it's true.

I don't care if the Xbox is $99 I'm not buying one. I'll stick with the platform with the stronger game exclusives and that is Sony.

I hate these articles.  When it starts with 'allegedly leaked' - how can this be news worthy?  Or when the article starts and says it not confirmed later in the article.  If you can't report facts, then don't report.

Easy choice for me to go with
PlayStation. I want games that aren't held back by the previous generation. I mean seriously developing games that must run on the ORIGINAL XBOX ONE. That's insane.
Also to the xboxers who say PS4 exclusives looked great. They are. I jumped ship and have loved my console immensely. Though I mostly play rocket league nowadays omfg and metro exodus (amazing af if you haven't tried it). So I guess those are crossplat anyway...still.