I'm a PS fan for the exclusives and will be buying that first no matter what the hardware specs.  That said it is funny the shoe is on the other foot now (potentially) as I very well remember how the original XBox One got greatly criticized over a relatively small performance gap with the PS4... 

If the games out now can and do run at 1080p/60 fps(that being the vast majority of players), and since if they sit 5-10 ft from the tv, a 8k tv isn't going to be doing its job unless those 8k tv owners are sitting faaaaaarther away than their 1080p counterparts. Which still makes 1080p viable. The past alone has taught us that buying at launch is not always the best option.

All I have to say is.  Last of us 2, ghost of tsushima, horizon zero dawn, god of war, uncharted 4, and more.  All those games were gorgeous and ran just fine to enjoy without any complaints.  Guess what?  That was all done on 4 stinking teraflops lol.  We're talking about more than twice the power of ps4 pro and 100x the read/write speed and way better abilities for creating newer games and tools.  What are we even talking about here ?  Who cares if it's little slower than Xbox X. What does Xbox X even have to offer as far as games ?  A quantum computer puts Xbox x and ps5 to shame but you know what? There are no games on there so I don't want it lol.  The reason why people want a ps5 is not because of power, we want a ps5 really bad because of the sequels and games were excited to play.  This more power and anti consumer rhetoric is getting old and desperate.  Be better Microsoft !

All I have to say is.  Last of us 2, ghost of tsushima, horizon zero dawn, god of war uncharted 4, and more.  All those games were gorgeous and ran just fine to enjoy without any complaints.k. Guess what?  That was all done one 4 teraflops lol.  We're talking about more than twice the power of ps4 pro and 100x th read/write speed.  What are we even talking about here?

tipster? it's been long well known about the raw power of ps5 being under the xbox series x. but guess what. it's about games at the end of the day.

Quote from: TowerPower on August 11, 2020, 20:21:06

Quote from: SethNW on August 11, 2020, 19:19:33
Performance won't really matter, because on consoles games get made and optimized for the system. And multiplatform titles get developed for the weakest platform, so at best XB would get maybe few optional tweaks. Still they should be close enough to where it won't matter badly.

Price wise, Sony could afford it. They are undisputed winner of current generation, which already tells you how much specs matter, or rather don't. Sure One X did good, but it didn't help MS winning. Plus Don't does have exclusives on their side, while MS exclusives can be played on PC as well. But if they do go higher or same as Series X with price, they might get bit of disadvantage there. But all things considered, it might still end up doing fine.

Though I still think next gen will be fought out mainly on features, be it what console can do or extra stuff like Game Pass, one if things MS nailed really well. Plus it will be battle of different approaches, Sony's exclusivity and old school of doing things, versus MSes ecosystem approach of getting games to gamers where they want them, PC, console or cloud, which is more of new way.

Though there is one thing MS could do to kill it in this generation. Put full version of Windows on XBSX, so you can boot into console or basically desktop. That would be huge deal, since now XBSX would be pre-built PC or console. Also it would go miles in convincing parents, use it as family computer and computer for school in Windows and as gaming console in free time. Plus you could use Windows got titles where you can exceed FPS on console and console version where you might struggle, so it is optimized for the system for you. But of course I doubt hey will do it. However it would be killer feature.

I suggest you wait for Digital Foundry do head to head comparisons on Multiformat titles.
The Series X will win Higher Resolution, Real Raytracing and Higher Framerates.
Reality will be here soon.

You are right in saying it will be more powerful yeah but in the end will it matter? How many people have an 8K/120 Hz TV ready to go. Sure the XBOX has a larger( not by alot either)amount of power but what good is it if 10% of people can utilize it. (10% is just a guesstimate. You know what I mean) :)

Quote from: SethNW on August 11, 2020, 19:19:33
Performance won't really matter, because on consoles games get made and optimized for the system. And multiplatform titles get developed for the weakest platform, so at best XB would get maybe few optional tweaks. Still they should be close enough to where it won't matter badly.

Price wise, Sony could afford it. They are undisputed winner of current generation, which already tells you how much specs matter, or rather don't. Sure One X did good, but it didn't help MS winning. Plus Don't does have exclusives on their side, while MS exclusives can be played on PC as well. But if they do go higher or same as Series X with price, they might get bit of disadvantage there. But all things considered, it might still end up doing fine.

Though I still think next gen will be fought out mainly on features, be it what console can do or extra stuff like Game Pass, one if things MS nailed really well. Plus it will be battle of different approaches, Sony's exclusivity and old school of doing things, versus MSes ecosystem approach of getting games to gamers where they want them, PC, console or cloud, which is more of new way.

Though there is one thing MS could do to kill it in this generation. Put full version of Windows on XBSX, so you can boot into console or basically desktop. That would be huge deal, since now XBSX would be pre-built PC or console. Also it would go miles in convincing parents, use it as family computer and computer for school in Windows and as gaming console in free time. Plus you could use Windows got titles where you can exceed FPS on console and console version where you might struggle, so it is optimized for the system for you. But of course I doubt hey will do it. However it would be killer feature.

I suggest you wait for Digital Foundry do head to head comparisons on Multiformat titles.
The Series X will win Higher Resolution, Real Raytracing and Higher Framerates.
Reality will be here soon.

The consoles are close to release and the obvious is starting to hit home. It's clearly not what Sony fans want to hear despite it being what most people knew all along.

3rd party Multiformat titles will always look and run best on the most powerful system, did anyone really believe otherwise  :p

Performance won't really matter, because on consoles games get made and optimized for the system. And multiplatform titles get developed for the weakest platform, so at best XB would get maybe few optional tweaks. Still they should be close enough to where it won't matter badly.

Price wise, Sony could afford it. They are undisputed winner of current generation, which already tells you how much specs matter, or rather don't. Sure One X did good, but it didn't help MS winning. Plus Don't does have exclusives on their side, while MS exclusives can be played on PC as well. But if they do go higher or same as Series X with price, they might get bit of disadvantage there. But all things considered, it might still end up doing fine.

Though I still think next gen will be fought out mainly on features, be it what console can do or extra stuff like Game Pass, one if things MS nailed really well. Plus it will be battle of different approaches, Sony's exclusivity and old school of doing things, versus MSes ecosystem approach of getting games to gamers where they want them, PC, console or cloud, which is more of new way.

Though there is one thing MS could do to kill it in this generation. Put full version of Windows on XBSX, so you can boot into console or basically desktop. That would be huge deal, since now XBSX would be pre-built PC or console. Also it would go miles in convincing parents, use it as family computer and computer for school in Windows and as gaming console in free time. Plus you could use Windows got titles where you can exceed FPS on console and console version where you might struggle, so it is optimized for the system for you. But of course I doubt hey will do it. However it would be killer feature.

I can confirm without a doubt that Xbox does not have "generic and bland" games. This is coming from someone with both consoles but consider my PS to be my primary one. "Generic and bland" is a phrase you heard on the internet. Try be more original if you are going to attempt to downplay a "rival" console.

Quote from: Idx on August 11, 2020, 12:18:49
Typical Americans. Whining about PS might cost more than the Xbox "deal with it" - I am more than willing to spend more on a system that is better designed for its purpose - and that is to run good games. Good games like, God of war, Nioh, most likely ghost of tsushima sequels, TLOU sequels, uncharted, the list just goes on and on. Only suckers would cough up money to MS for a console where the games can be played on PC. Typical MS though, they never really cares about quality content, profit is what matters first, which is why their content is generic and bland.

Keep your racist comments to yourself. If you have disagree with people griping about price, fine.  Argue the point.  But don't generalize.  It makes you look like an idiot even if your other points are good.

Anything from resetera should be ignored. They are trash. They want nothing more than to burn the industry because of "toxic" gamers.

When I read this I thought it be funny. No it's not funny but just down right stupid. Who even considered that person to give you a tip. If you want the truth ask the main source next time. It really doesn't matter on the price as Sony PlayStation makes all the consoles in Japan it's why the use get the systems way before anyone else. Now the way things are we won't know when Japan release date or the global release date. Until then it won't matter. It will just be another wait on this person says what. I bet they will be the same price. If the both wanted to be different why would it matter. If the ps5 is going to be weaker they could sell the digital for 299 and the disc slot for 399 to 499. Yet I doubt that will have with Xbox as well. Neither one will go as low as 199. The highest is 499. The lowest is 299. So there you go. Easy price ranges just hold 530$ and you could preorder either one of these new systems.

I'll still be going for the PS5, the differences between the two consoles are probably going to be tiny and I will NEVER buy a Microsoft product.

Console fanboys debating what's better when PC gamers have enjoyed these enhancements for 10yrs lol. I'm buying a ps5 but later in the life cycle when I feel I need to buy one and my Xbox series x? I might get the digital version to take on the road. Since I normally play destiny 2, any Halo and division.