Quote from: Peter m. on August 05, 2020, 14:16:38
Common everyday tasks are greatly effected by single core scores, web browsing, spreadsheets, a lot of gaming etc are mostly short quick bursts of computing.

Ooooh, web browsing and spreadsheets! Those things that famously need really high performance! 🙄

In seriousness, web browsing is multi-threaded in all but the most pathological of Javascript implementations, so really you're down to just spreadsheets and gaming. Benchmarks bear out that Intel have no discernible advantage left in gaming for anyone who isn't playing CS:GO at 1080p on a 2080Ti with a 240Hz display, so that leaves you with... spreadsheets. 😐

Gotta love the desperation of the Intel shills with "but Tiger Lake-H", too. That's jam tomorrow. Let us know when it's actually on the market and they can get those 8 cores into a 15W chip! 😆

That is the single highest single-core (Thread Mark) score in the PassMark database.

If that is true then this chip is faster than all current desktop chips in single-core while running at 15W.

I will believe it when it is reviewed in an actual laptop here on NBCheck.

Source: cpubenchmark.net/ CPU_mega_page.html (add the https and www before to complete the link, then sort by "Thread Mark").

See for yourself guys.

Quote from: Jesse on August 05, 2020, 01:12:17
Who cares? 

If you have a program that only runs on a single core today, then it just isn't relevant for any speed comparisons.

I get that Intel probably wants you to keep hyping single core comparisons, since it is the only way they can win anything, but come on.  You guys are better than this.

Common everyday tasks are greatly effected by single core scores, web browsing, spreadsheets, a lot of gaming etc are mostly short quick bursts of computing. While professionals, especially video editing/rendering benefit from large core counts your average person using computers at work or home (gaming) will not. If you think single core performance has lost its relevance you need to take off your blinders.
If this was Intel 8 cores compared to half the cores and threads from AMD everyone would denounce the results.

What version of PassMark were they running?

Intel has been struggling to stay on top of AMD in recent times with its well-documented 10 nm delays...

What did they pay you to spin Intel's failure like this?   Here, I'll fix it for ya:

Intel has fallen below AMD in recent times with it's well-documented 10 nm delays.

Who cares? 

If you have a program that only runs on a single core today, then it just isn't relevant for any speed comparisons.

I get that Intel probably wants you to keep hyping single core comparisons, since it is the only way they can win anything, but come on.  You guys are better than this.

Well the H series is 45 Watt not 15-25 as the U series typically is. You can't really compare to this results...

I expect the Tiger Lake will compete better than Comet Lake as it is a new arch and process compared to it. So in the H Series we will see a quite nice competition.

The 10mm+ isn't that bad performance wise. It just has bad yields...

For U series I see no chance for Intel if they stay on max. 4 cores. They should bring 10nm+ 8 core U series at and yield / cost if they do not want to lose a lot of share and reputation.

If AMD also manages to put USB 4.0 and PCIe 4.0 support in their Zen3 mobile series there is no need for Intel and even premium Laptops will go for AMD...

Those passmark results are not very accurate. I have 4800U and I get constantly much higher passmark score for multi threaded and single. The reason is that people run their passmark when the machine is not optimally set for benchmark. for example battery saving mode limits the CPU to under 15W.

I got over 19000 CPU score with Passmark 10 on 4800U Slim 7. While on average it shows in passmark site to be around 17000. Clear difference when people are testing their systems either with limited thermals or smt. else.

Quote from: JayN on August 04, 2020, 13:18:33
I see mention of a Tiger Lake-H with 8 cores.   Perhaps the crushing will go the other direction when comparing 8 vs 8.

I think multithread performance on H series cpu would be on par less than 10% different.

Tiger Lake H may not arrive until 2021 (no one is sure yet).  Until we actually get scores of 8 core Tiger L's probably it's best to assume Intel will be late yet again.  That is now a several year story that doesn't seem like it's coming to an end.

Quote from: JayN on August 04, 2020, 13:18:33
I see mention of a Tiger Lake-H with 8 cores.   Perhaps the crushing will go the other direction when comparing 8 vs 8.

My condolences for your Intel shares.

Having said that, Tiger will have to face Zen 3, so, crushing will probably change temporarily for a month or two until 5000 mobiles APUs come out.

I see mention of a Tiger Lake-H with 8 cores.   Perhaps the crushing will go the other direction when comparing 8 vs 8.