To help with cooling, do surgery on laptop to install some thermal gel/paste. YT is your friend.

1. CPU and GPU are both hot, so Smartshift have no room to balance power supply properly.
2. Nvidia use Variable Shaders (lowering resulution,they use one pixel to draw up to 4x4 pixels). Parts of 4K 3840x2160 are reduced to 960x540 resolution.1920x1080 down to 480x270. Thats reason why Nvidia have more FPS in games despite RDNA1 is better.
3. No rewievers use Adrenalin software - Radeon boost, Radeon chill. Its a big deal

Quote from: jeremy on June 24, 2020, 09:23:48
How are they even close?
Using a vastly superior CPU along with being on a very mature 7nm (AMD has had 7nm products since 2018), and we get similar power draw and slightly slower performance against Intel's 14nm joke and Nvidia on "12nm" (really 20nm with FinFET).

This even has AMD's Smartshift technology to boost performance even further.

Only saving grace would be price.

Actually, the AMD CPU is much faster than Intel (especially in multi-threading) and FAR more power efficient (because it provides superior battery life).
You cannot view these systems through a gaming lens only (and if you do, then I pity you).

Also, the 5600M in the DELL is crippled by the poor cooling assembly.
The 5600M should be drawing between 90-100W and its actually drawing 70-80W as Frank Azor confirmed (because of the poor cooling).

The same garbage cooling in the DELL is preventing the 4800H from reaching its maximum speed and produces temperatures of over 100 degrees Celsius (whereas in other laptops with 4800H, the cooling is much better).

DELL was actually called out on the poor cooling assembly by several independent reviewers, but they've not actually done anything about it.

Stop making claims about things you know little or nothing about.

The card in the MacBook is a different design, it uses HMB2 memory instead of DDR6 for higher memory bandwidth and better thermals.  Still a huge premium as usual for apple's top end configs but it's not the same gpu design as the one in the dell.

Quote from: Kiki on June 24, 2020, 09:33:35
AMD should step up and release 5700 or 5800m which would able to beat 2080 super, laptop with that combine with latest amd cpu would beat or match intel i9 + 2080super for half price, could be funny.
Anyway 5600M is a great step, but apple charge 700 for that card?? I bet they get for 50 bucks from amd...

The MacBook Pro's "5600m" is in reality the full Navi 12 die with 40CU aka the chip used by the 5700XT, except with HBM2 instead of GDDR6 to lower power consumption to fit in 50w TDP. Now, 5700XT retails for $400, but this is a semi custom solution exclusive for Apple with the more expensive HBM2 and likely highly binned for efficiency, so let's say it would have retailed for $550

Now, Apple's $700 upcharge for upgrade over the 5300m would still be hugely expensive- but ~$500 would be somewhat reasonable. And yes, it is still an expensive way to get that level of performance.

AMD just needs to keep lithography advantage (5nm vs Nvidia 7nm) and improve power efficiency compared to Entry <--> Med Nvidia GPUs. Price is already lower, the question now is how good Nvidia Ampere will be compared to RDNA 2.

AMD should step up and release 5700 or 5800m which would able to beat 2080 super, laptop with that combine with latest amd cpu would beat or match intel i9 + 2080super for half price, could be funny.
Anyway 5600M is a great step, but apple charge 700 for that card?? I bet they get for 50 bucks from amd...

How are they even close?
Using a vastly superior CPU along with being on a very mature 7nm (AMD has had 7nm products since 2018), and we get similar power draw and slightly slower performance against Intel's 14nm joke and Nvidia on "12nm" (really 20nm with FinFET).

This even has AMD's Smartshift technology to boost performance even further.

Only saving grace would be price.