Well I guess Intel was so stuck in it's routine of a little more performance for the next cpu generation for so long, it became lazy. Well now maybe we will see some serious competition and better pricing, just like in the good old days!

Don't miss them for a second. Eyeing AMD for my next laptop and desktop.

Quote from: finelajkd on July 24, 2020, 08:21:42
With Intel experience 10+++... will be better than 7nm Ryzen.

For sure, speaking strictly from a fab point of view. However, it is now evident that Zen's advantages com from more than just the fabrication node -- Intel needs to severely revise their CPUs to remain competitive with AMD, especially when the security front is considered.

Quote from: S.Yu on July 24, 2020, 10:47:55

Quote from: Tov on July 24, 2020, 09:33:20

Quote from: finelajkd on July 24, 2020, 08:21:42
With Intel experience 10+++... will be better than 7nm Ryzen.

Agree. But what the point if 5nm Zen4 coming next year. As TSMC stops Huawei orders there won't be any Ryzen shortage anymore.

We don't know that. We don't know how much spare capacity that affords in the proportions of the PC market. If AMD doubles its market share, Intel would still own more than half of the market.

Quote from: S.Yu on July 24, 2020, 10:47:55

Quote from: Tov on July 24, 2020, 09:33:20

Quote from: finelajkd on July 24, 2020, 08:21:42
With Intel experience 10+++... will be better than 7nm Ryzen.

Agree. But what the point if 5nm Zen4 coming next year. As TSMC stops Huawei orders there won't be any Ryzen shortage anymore.

We don't know that. We don't know how much spare capacity that affords in the proportions of the PC market. If AMD doubles its market share, Intel would still own more than half of the market.

That's shareholders concern. For us consumers, easier reaching superior products at better value is a good thing.

Quote from: Tov on July 24, 2020, 09:33:20

Quote from: finelajkd on July 24, 2020, 08:21:42
With Intel experience 10+++... will be better than 7nm Ryzen.

Agree. But what the point if 5nm Zen4 coming next year. As TSMC stops Huawei orders there won't be any Ryzen shortage anymore.

We don't know that. We don't know how much spare capacity that affords in the proportions of the PC market. If AMD doubles its market share, Intel would still own more than half of the market.

Quote from: finelajkd on July 24, 2020, 08:21:42
With Intel experience 10+++... will be better than 7nm Ryzen.

Agree. But what the point if 5nm Zen4 coming next year. As TSMC stops Huawei orders there won't be any Ryzen shortage anymore.

With Intel experience 10+++... will be better than 7nm Ryzen.

Quote from: Lucas on July 24, 2020, 07:00:34
@Tov

It's just an arbitrary name, as a matter of fact Intel's 10nm may be more densly packed than TSMCs 7nm so let's just wait with what they com up. So far they have been competing with 7nm Zen 2 with their 14nm and that says something about their engineers.

Quote from: Lucas on July 24, 2020, 07:00:34
@Tov

It's just an arbitrary name, as a matter of fact Intel's 10nm may be more densly packed than TSMCs 7nm so let's just wait with what they com up. So far they have been competing with 7nm Zen 2 with their 14nm and that says something about their engineers.

Zen2 wins all benchmarks at the same power draw? Looking forward to Zen4 ipc gain.

@Tov

It's just an arbitrary name, as a matter of fact Intel's 10nm may be more densly packed than TSMCs 7nm so let's just wait with what they com up. So far they have been competing with 7nm Zen 2 with their 14nm and that says something about their engineers.

How can they compete with 5nm Zen4 then?