Quote from: KingUniverse on June 30, 2020, 06:38:17
How is this an embarrassment for Nvidia? They just supply the chip. It's on the laptop manufacturer to manage cooling and TDP to prevent throttling and get the most out of the chips provided.

It should be an embarrassment because they control the branding and they really shouldn't let their partners arbitrarily set the performance of chips with their branding on them.

But they don't really have any reason to care as long as the cash keeps flooding in, so they're happy to let this absurd situation perpetuate itself.

If only Nvidia were actually embarrassed by this. It's been the same issue over and over ever since they started off this "Max-Q" nonsense, and it gets worse with every new release - yet they continue to make huge profits because for now, they're the only game in town, and they refuse to reign in their partners.

It would have been nice if someone had decided to break that monopoly using AMD's RX 5700M, but apparently that's un-possible because reasons, so here we are.

How is this an embarrassment for Nvidia? They just supply the chip. It's on the laptop manufacturer to manage cooling and TDP to prevent throttling and get the most out of the chips provided.

This is a bunk story, the 2080 was never paired with the i7-10875, and only tested with the i7-10750. Now since these are laptops I guess we can really blame the manufacturers for not pairing the superior model of CPU with the superior GPU.
This is why you don't buy a laptop for gaming.

you are very optimistic...
no such things like nvidia embarassment

Well, that was to be expected. When Nvidia stopped making dedicated mobile variants of their chips, with a specific "stock" frequency and wattage, but instead gave OEMs complete freedom in choosing the frequency and wattage without a publicized "stock" value, it was expected that some OEMs would pick the hottest chip available (I mean literally hottest) and run it at severely constrained frequencies and wattage just so they can bill through the nose but without having to spend for a cooling system to match. Anyway, that's a lesson learned, the chip name is now meaningless when it comes to the performance you can expect. Furmark won't help either because a severely downclocked chip doesn't throttle.

The reason it performs better is because Razer are running it at 100w and cooling it effectively.

100w non super card is more performant than a 90w super version.

Simple really.

Quote from: RSS on June 29, 2020, 04:14:14
michael salazar  -  All of the gpu's are maxq on that list above and they all have 90W power limit, if not than 80w but not that much of a different.
But i've never seen 2070maxq beating any super cards or the 2080 maxq,
honestly i dont think those numbers are real:(

It has been well-reported on Hardware Unboxed and Jarrods Tech's YouTube Channel that the 2070MQ in the Razer Blade Pro has a 100W BIOS, and with some overclocks in gaming mode it's outperforming 15" laptops with the Max-P 2070 and 2070 Super Max-Qs and 2080MQs with 80W TDP. The numbers are 100% real. Check their review for the 2070MQ model in 2019. With overclocks on my 15" RB15 model, I myself have gotten a Time Spy Graphics of 7500.

Whenever someone says 'Max-Q' is a hoax, they aren't really well-informed and probably use this website to compare the card to the 2060/2070, which itself picks among the worst 2070MQ laptops' benchmark numbers for comparison to a middle of the pack 2060/2070.

Nah, I could have predicted this. I do not have my surprised look on my face. The Green Goblin knows most of the dumbs dumbs with "gaming notebooks" buy anything that is newer on the idiotic assumption that new always means better. It used to, but it hasn't been logical to assume that newer is always better for quite a long time. Newer frequently means more compromised.

michael salazar  -  All of the gpu's are maxq on that list above and they all have 90W power limit, if not than 80w but not that much of a different.
But i've never seen 2070maxq beating any super cards or the 2080 maxq,
honestly i dont think those numbers are real:(

Exactly.

On top of it, it seems like the author has no idea what he's going on about. The issue isn't with card not performing faster but with manufacturers beings unable to power/let them cool as they should.
Definitely the first and last time I lose my time with that website.

It would be helpful to know the wattage of the laptops used. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the 2070 is incorporated in a laptop with a higher wattage rating, wouldn't it make since that it would out perform a laptop with a lower wattage rating?

For example, the Zephyrus g14 with its 2060 max-q can easily be outperformed by a laptop with a 1660ti in a laptop with higher wattage

nVidia is doing same thing as Intel - very minor upgrades in hope to squeeze every $ from market. History loves to repeat,  I will keep fingers crossed for AMD and their comeback with RDNA2.

Max-Q is to sell a super car with half horsepower and double price. It is worthless since GTX10.

Nvidia = Intel, monoply situation making this. 5 cards : 2070 - 2070 super maxq - 2080 maxq - 2080 super maxq - 2070 super, all have similar performance but in price can find a huge difference...

I dont think ampere will have a huge jump as nvidia have a monopoly situation, they can release a little faster gpu and they are fine for 2021...