It looks like 5600M laptop comes with 200Hz PWM at any level of brightness.

I just hope that we will get a Zen2 laptop without the stand-alone GPU for around 500$ price mark. I don't need any GF1650 etc. considering how strong the AMD APU is.

Big hopes on Lenovo's Legion 5

If tech press continue to avoid REALLY addressing the problem of how Intel is manipulating OEMs and the market, this will not change. And when I say REALLY, I don't mean articles like this. This articles mean nothing, say nothing, conclude with a "oh well.....".

The lack of options is comical. Not sure if it is a lack of interest from manufacturers for high end AMD laptops or lack of supply from AMD. The market wants them and we are left with no options.

Quote from: Thinkpad Fan on June 23, 2020, 23:10:56
The Dell G5 SE is our Renoir Overlord, we must bow down and accept it as such

The DELL G5 15 SE a well thought out configuration, however, Dell messed it up completely by giving it sub-par cooling.
The CPU alone (4800H and even 4600H) easily surpass 100 degrees Celsius, and cannot reach its maximum performance.

Also, the 5600M should be drawing between 90-100W, whereas in the DELL, its only drawing 70-80W according to Frank Azor - meaning it also cannot reach its maximum performance.

The temperatures on the CPU can be mitigated by preventing the 4800H from turbo boosting and keeping it at its stock clocks, however, this will obviously impact its performance levels.

As I said, pairing 4800H and 5600M is a great idea, but the way DELL went about it was badly executed (mainly because they implemented very bad cooling which cannot keep the hw properly cooled, despite both the CPU and GPU being highly efficient).

For comparison, the Eluktronics RP-15 for example has 4800H and RTX 2060 (that gpu is allowed to boost all the way to 110W - at least 10W more than 5600M rated maximum), and this laptop has no issues with temperatures (the CPU temps are at 88 degrees C when fully maxed out in turbo mode, and the GPU gets to about 78 degrees Celsius when fully stressed).

Eluktronics actually installed VERY decent cooling (despite the fact that RP-15 is actually THINNER and less wider than G5 15 SE).

I like all AMD HW laptops... and its why I got myself Acer Predator Helios 500 PH517-61 (Ryzen 2700 and Vega 56). The temperatures on this unit do NOT exceed 73 degrees C on the CPU and 65 degrees Celsius on the GPU, when BOTH are stressed at the same time for hours... oh and you can barely hear the fans running in this fully stressed mode (basically, its the quietest and coolest laptop on the market - and its running cooler than MANY desktops).

Plus, the Vega 56 in that laptop is limited to 120W... but it can be overclocked on the core/HBM to allow it to reach GTX 1080 levels (or RTX 2070 Max-Q performance) WITHOUT exceeding 120W.

THAT'S what a properly cooled laptop should be like.
But then again, Acer took the time to configure the cooling to AMD hw... most OEM's don't do this and they cheapen out by installing barely enough cooling for baseline TDP values... which means that the hw won't be able to boost at all (or reliably), preventing it from attaining maximum performance.

I am still waiting for AMD or someone to release the Ryzen 4800U or Ryzen 4600U.

At this point, if Tiger Lake ends up arriving before those two, I will take TigerLake even if its means losing some perfomance, but at least there will be native thunderbolt support.

The Dell G5 SE is our Renoir Overlord, we must bow down and accept it as such