AMD Ryzen 7 or 9 with AMD 5500m 5600m graphics or NVIDIA 1660ti.
16GB ram
1TB storage
1x HDMI port
And Friken atlest 2x USB-A ports and compare to Dell latest release with only C ports......god....

All this and am on board 110%

This is what Im waiting for... as long as i need to.

Dell Xps 13 with ryzen 4700u will be perfect...

XPS 15 with AMD Ryzen CPU, Nvidia GPU and 4 TB3 ports are definitely yes for me!

Thanks for the article, I have XPS 15 and need to buy a new laptop. I will wait to buy premium Ryzen 7 4800UH and would love that to be XPS 17, however, I would predict that Acer, Asus or Lenovo will come with it XPS killer, years before Dell wakes up to the laptop CPU reality in 2020.

Intel CPUs are a joke. And Dell sitting on there Aris and not properly supporting AMD Ryzen 4000 series mobile CPUs shows they are being paid incentives by AMDs competition.
Intel Desktop and Intel Mobile CPUs are uncompetitive, power hungry and a complete embarrassment.

DELL, Support AMDs far superior mobile Ryzen 4000 series and stop pretending Intel is still the best.

The biggest problem at the moment with Ryzen mobile CPU is that there is no support for Thunderbolt 3 (I'm guessing Intel doesn't allow AMD to get the certification).
That is going to change with the arrival of USB 4 at the end of the year, so maybe the 2021 XPS will have Ryzen CPU.

So many intel fanboys here, they definitely getting paid for this ;D
All these guys shilling for good "Intel support" have you ever seen a Dell laptop? Xps line has constant issues with new BIOS-es, wifi-drivers, random wakeups from sleep mode, is this a mystic quality of the Intel software and design support?

This was the case 4 years ago when I was choosing among several ultrabooks, and have the same problems now + overheating and 300-cycles battery in newer models.

These notebooks are a joke, their managers or regularly do stupid decisions like the removal of the non-glossy screen version in previous generations, I wonder why people(who do the research, of course, and not just choosing the first thin laptop they see in the store) still buy them.

Quote from: bééla on June 06, 2020, 10:31:00
It's actually quite simple no one, literally No One expected that the ryzen 4000 mobile CPUs will be this good.

Desktop zen2 CPUs were already much more power-efficient than Intel at the same time, don't talk nonsense, that's was pretty obvious.

Just one and only one design with smartshift from Dell you already know they are milking Intel. While other OEMS launch dozen of renoir design. crazy to think AMD can grow faster without DELL. hopefully they die show no love to them

I cannot grasp how Dell laptops can be popular.

There policy of prohibiting standard modern drivers is so crippling.

My relatives had two Dell laptops with the same Wi-Fi card. And one of them could barely connect to a router standing 5 metres away with nothing but air between them. Because of drivers. Two years later Dell finally patched newer drivers to be accepted by another laptop too, and Wi-Fi started to work. But before that they had crippled hardware with Dell thoroughly blocking any way of fixing it. I know Dell makes good monitor, but for anything that may need drivers one better run from Dell like a plague...

Whilst amd are killing it, they definitely need a couple of years of stability. Also, I didn't think any of the amd chips were tb3 enabled. That basically renders the new design redundant.

Typo: You say,

QuoteWe've shown that the cooling solution of the XPS 15 can struggle keeping up with the 45 Core i9-9980HK, but the 35 W Ryzen 7 4800HS would work wonders without needing to sacrifice performance or heavily modify the existing fans or heat pipes.

I think you mean the i9-9980HK is 45 W TDP.

I get such a kick watching consumers guessing about what happens behind the scenes at the OEMs in new product development. I actually have worked as a product manage at several large OEMs on the server side and can tell you that there are many factors at play when developing a new product. Its far from the cut and dry decision making you think it should be.

These factors include (but are not limited too) historical sales data, market trend data (IDC), customer feedback, vendor roadmaps (Intel/AMD/etc.), budgets, manpower, vendor NRE payments (meetcomp), and probably the biggest influencer - Politics. 

OEMs are typically always short on manpower resources and budgets, so this has a lot to do with how many projects (new products) get developed because it takes a lot of resources and time to design a new platform. Now that isn't to say that the ODM/JDM doesn't help, they do. But they are in most cases only part of the equation. Budget/money is another huge factor. There typically is never enough so many OEM count on the vendor (like Intel) to absorb some of the development cost (meetcomp). This practice was started for the most part by Intel years ago to get more design wins from it's competitors. AMD somewhat follows this practice today, but given Intels huge financial resources they typically have much more to spend. So if your an OEM looking to get funding for a project, who do you think management is first going to turn too?

Yup, the good old Bank of Big Blue (Intel).

Also don't rule out lack of vision. Many OEMs suffer from what.Professor Clayton Christensen of MIT in the "The innovators dilemma" wrote about years ago about the problems that large OEM have with being able to see disruptive new markets opportunities due to their historical customer successes. They simply couldn't see the what was coming before them or it represented to little return in value and  risk compared to maintaining the status quo, they avoided it. I've seen this myself time and time again.

Management also gets addicted to Intel's money and it takes a low risk path because its worked before in the past, the "no one ever gets fired for buying IBM" syndrome.

Problem is that when a disruptor (AMD) enters an established market, large OEMs are typically last to jump due to the perceived risk involved. This gives smaller players a big advantage to grow their market share. You see this being played out with AMD's Ryzen products. ASUS, MSI, Gigabyte and other small players jumped quickly to bring cutting edge products to market fast, where as large OEMs HP, Dell, Lenovo are just now beginning to role out a few (mostly lower end - low risk) products while flooding the marketing with 10th Gen Intel products. Why? Easy, its playing it safe. They know the Intel products will sell and they have the historical data to prove it. They got meetcomp $$$ to make them. Product refresh cycles are easier and often quicker to bring to market. So lots of new Intel products.

So why didn't they build equivalent  AMD Ryzen products?

There are a number of reasons which can include the additional engineering effort to adding a new CPU architecture (Firmware, service, sales training, etc), lack of vendor  funds (NRE meetcomp) to aid development, lack of historical customer data (We don't know how this would sell), internal political resistance (yes, there can be bias), desire to remain single vendor, product cannibalization, playing a wait-and-see (will AMD burn out or are they hear to stay?), etc.  So it's difficult as a product manager to simply say "build it and they will come", in fact most product managers are no more than product influencers, they lack any of the decision making power; that comes from upper management and finance.

So, its not so simple.

There are many things at play and what may seem obvious to the consumer, isn't always obvious to the OEM. But you have the ultimate buying power. That speaks loudly. Using it to sway the OEMs by purchasing the kinds of products and service you want to see will eventually sink in (or they go out of business). If that means giving the smaller guys like ASUS/MSI/etc.  your money before the big guys, so be it. Eventually the HP/Dells/Lenovos will figure it out.

Dell simply did not do it last year when it came to design the new models. So, maybe they have learned and next year they will offer a XPS with AMD...

Asus Lenovo MSI release Renoir laptops very quick, why can't Dell do that?