Quote from: Redaktion on June 04, 2020, 14:24:17

AMD's CFO David Kumar recently claimed that the company's upcoming RDNA2 graphics cards, including the "halo" "Big Navi" product, will arrive before the PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X. This means 4K/60 AMD Navi cards could be available in just a few months.

Get your s**t together man. Big Navi is 80CU's & 505mm². Do your damn research before you post another garbage article like this. AND YOU'RE AN EDITOR?!?! Who's the chief editor then? Someone at this site has to not a be a complete idiot, right?!?

Who wrote this stupid article? Big Navi is 80CU's, not 64CU's (if a 64CU version exists, it's cut down). Like did you not even use Google before you wrote this crap? And an early engineering samole ALREADY outperformed the average 2080 Ti by about 30% like 6 months ago in a major VR benchmark (beating out the FASTEST liquid nitrogen OC's 2080 Ti's by like 15%).

The final card should be around +50% faster than a RTX 2080 Ti. This author is freaking TERRIBLE, and needs to be fired. What editor hired these idiots?!?!

People are suggesting that Nvidia will make such big leaps next gen not because based on knowing anything but by looking at RDNA2. While we still don't know much about PC RDNA2. We know from the confirmed spec's of the next gen consoles (mainly Xbox Series X) that it's a pretty big leap. We know the power supply wattage for the console. We know the rough TFLOP's. We know the consoles RDNA2 clocks are using lowish conservative clocks compared to the future desktop counterpart. We know it's an APU so a dGPU will have more die area to work with and hence more CU's enabled. We even know the die size area, transistor count, ROP's, texture mapping units, shading units, both gpu / memory clocks, bus interface and bandwidth.

Again, this is not everything, but from all this we can infer something. It's actually painting a very scary picture. This might be the first time AMD has been competitive in the high end gpu space in a very long time.

Those absurd rumors of Nvidia? Well, if Nvidia want to keep charging the prices they do ($1000+ gpu's) they're going to have to to make a significant leap. How big? no idea, but it's going to have to be pretty substantial.

The only thing that might screw it is over is as usual, AMD's driver support for PC. Lets hope the money gained from AMD's mobile APU's and desktop CPU's starts pouring into their GPU division so they can hopefully improve their software and drivers.

Did I also mention that we also know consoles are not going to be more than $500 because nobody is going to buy a console which costs more than a PC. So we know AMD is providing an RDNA2 chip this powerful for  < $500. Yes, consoles are heavily subsidized but keep in mind that is a complete SoC / system with a whole bunch of other costs. So a PC dGPU with this kind of performance < $250 is very possible. They can't possibly price it at a $1000 because then nobody will buy it and everyone will just buy a console instead.

Targonis, all I'm trying to say is, I think so far we know enough to be excited about the future. Usually when companies say things, it's just a PR or marketing stunt but this time, enough information has been disclosed that I don't think AMD is kidding around this time with their claims. It probably is fairly accurate what they're saying.

Do people still care about 4k and ray tracing? 1440p @ 144+ hz/fps is where it's at fam.

Quote from: cory on June 04, 2020, 16:51:22
LOL... What I've been saying along. These AMD cards will barely do 4k60fps. Nvidia 3080 will do 4k 100fps.. Stick with Nvidia

As for playstation 5.. The console wont do 4k60fps, so its next best alternative will be downgrading graphic's to 1800p again so it can handle 60+fps. It will be a ps4 pro Plus with upgraded audio.. Baaahaahahah, no wonder they have been holding off the reveal with excuses... SONY = DOOMED

You mean the way the RTX 2060 can actually do ray tracing?   We don't have ANY information about the specs for ANY of the RDNA 2 products, and we ARE talking about an entire product range, not just a specific card here.   The low end RDNA 2 products won't be 4k products, but then again, the low end NVIDIA products are not 4k products.   The 2080Ti with ray tracing on gets around 30fps at 4k.   If the high end RDNA 2 product beats the 2080Ti by 10 percent and only costs $800, and any new generation from NVIDIA that beats the high end from AMD ends up costing $1000 or more, it won't matter for people with an $800 budget if NVIDIA has a faster card that they won't be buying.

I want to know where people are getting the idea that NVIDIA will have such a big improvement in its next generation.   Sure, NVIDIA could just make something as big as the 2080Ti a $250 product, and have a 700mm GPU that sells for $2500 in the consumer space, but at this point, NVIDIA has not made any direct comparisons for Ampere that show that it is significantly faster for the same "size", meaning the number of "cores".   The move to 7nm will make the same design physically smaller, but at this point, I have not seen a single statement that indicates what sort of architectural performance improvements Ampere brings to the table.

Think of it another way, adding cores will improve performance, improving the design will improve performance.   Because GPUs scale very well, Ampere could have NO architectural improvements at all but just add more cores for the same price.   If NVIDIA adds cores, do you really think that NVIDIA will keep the price the same?

AMD has also been a LITTLE vague when painting the picture of performance per watt improvements rather than talking specifically about performance, but AMD has not talked specifically about the specs on the new products yet.   If we get double the performance of the 5700XT and only increase the power draw by 50%, that will be a very solid performer, but we just don't know what the performance will be.

LOL... What I've been saying along. These AMD cards will barely do 4k60fps. Nvidia 3080 will do 4k 100fps.. Stick with Nvidia

As for playstation 5.. The console wont do 4k60fps, so its next best alternative will be downgrading graphic's to 1800p again so it can handle 60+fps. It will be a ps4 pro Plus with upgraded audio.. Baaahaahahah, no wonder they have been holding off the reveal with excuses... SONY = DOOMED