Quote from: Rikii on June 07, 2020, 19:29:37

I doubt AMD will launch their new laptop processors again in January, but even if they did, look, it's basically half year after launch, AMD processor are barely available and there are just a few options.
Not talking about as it is now, the 4800U is literally non-existent outside of China.

AMD roadmap says 5000 series is in 2021Q1. So I see no reason why not.

The delays in launching 4000 series laptops was due to corona virus. That shouldn't pose a problem next year.

Quote from: A on June 05, 2020, 05:36:24
And 3 months after Intel releases tiger lake, AMD will have the 5000 series mobile cpus which will widen the margin on both CPU and GPU.

I doubt AMD will launch their new laptop processors again in January, but even if they did, look, it's basically half year after launch, AMD processor are barely available and there are just a few options.
Not talking about as it is now, the 4800U is literally non-existent outside of China.

Oof... I'm a bit disappointed with how AMD went narrower on the GPU with Renoir, so it's sad to see that Intel's much-lauded leap forward with the Xe GPU on Tiger may not be all that interesting after all.

AMD's GPUs tend to do better in 3D Mark than their real-world performance, but that's also true to an even greater extent for Intel, so I'm expecting this to be decidedly "meh" in practice.

Quote from: Uninteresting on June 04, 2020, 22:33:07
I think people still don't understand or get it. The whole point of iGPU is to play older games. But most older games are coded and optimized for Nvidia/AMD's architectures and driver stacks. It won't matter if Intel iGPU's do better in some synthetic benchmark, in real games AMD's will always show more consistent performance with less bugs/artifacting/screen tearing/etc.

I think what Intel should do now to compete in mobile notebook segment is buy an ARM license (if they've not already), and start building hybrid architecture CPU's. Think like 6 core ARM cpu + 4 core x86-64 cpu. This way if a user just doing basic browsing stuff, the workload is offloaded to low power arm cores. Then when you need to do some gaming is switches to higher power x86 cores.

No, the point of iGPU is to offer better efficiency, lower cost, smaller packaging. Being able to only play older games is a consequence of low performance (because they prioritize efficiency/ cost/ die size), not purpose.

You're forgetting that a processor is useless without software to run on it. ARM requires different machine code. You could solve that by emulation but that's not the best idea if you're after efficiency. Not to mention that Intel is kind of already doing it. x86 instructions are implemented using microinstructions. It's been that way for ages. Pure RISC has advantages (as does CISC), but there is a lot of x86 software around. It would be feasible in the open source world. Apple could do it as they have a pretty tight control. But Windows, that's a whole lot more difficult. We'll see how Windows on ARM works out.

I said the GPU performance of the tiger lake seems marginal. 1.9% is quite marginal.

Quote from: k on June 04, 2020, 20:24:38
As i suspected this time Intel beat amd in igp. Shame on AMD they ruined the name of ATI

Intel sacrificed CPU for GPU, this is why tigerlake is limited to 4 cores with cpu performance improvements over ice lake being marginal.

So think about this, AMD is winning on intel's next gen tiger lake processor with their current processor. And 3 months after Intel releases tiger lake, AMD will have the 5000 series mobile cpus which will widen the margin on both CPU and GPU.

Well, outside of game support for Intel's GPU, driver update is the other issue too since Intel only updates their driver once in a few months

Quote from: k on June 04, 2020, 20:24:38
As i suspected this time Intel beat amd in igp. Shame on AMD they ruined the name of ATI

Intel isn't technically 'beating AMD'. They are more or less neck in neck.
Also, this is Intel's second revision and release in just how much time?
Whereas AMD has been releasing things on an annual basis.

Intel comes off as if its releasing stuff every 6 months now.
Also, while results in benchmarks are one thing, actual gaming performance is something else (which usually favors AMD).

Oh and, need I remind you that AMD has consistently been beating Intel in iGP performance for well over a decade, and when AMD CPU's were underperforming (Bulldozer uArch), people didn't pay much attention to AMD because of that and didn't care too much about iGP.

Now, Intel has barely similar performance in benchmarks (not actual real life use) and much weaker CPU and yet people want to somehow make it relevant.

I think people still don't understand or get it. The whole point of iGPU is to play older games. But most older games are coded and optimized for Nvidia/AMD's architectures and driver stacks. It won't matter if Intel iGPU's do better in some synthetic benchmark, in real games AMD's will always show more consistent performance with less bugs/artifacting/screen tearing/etc.

I think what Intel should do now to compete in mobile notebook segment is buy an ARM license (if they've not already), and start building hybrid architecture CPU's. Think like 6 core ARM cpu + 4 core x86-64 cpu. This way if a user just doing basic browsing stuff, the workload is offloaded to low power arm cores. Then when you need to do some gaming is switches to higher power x86 cores.

Think of it like Nvidia Optimus switches between 2 different gpu's but for cpu's. I'm actually surprised no one has done this yet. There are rumours that AMD is working on an ARM SoC but have not heard anything about mixing both ARM with x86-64. Maybe companies are not collaborating because IP/patent issues? Intel not allowed to build ARM and ARM not allowed to build x86. But I believe AMD has both licenses so if there was any company that could do it, it'd be them.

Intel is in real trouble now. Their Tiger lake still can't match 4900u in term of cpu power, gpu power, heat, price.

As i suspected this time Intel beat amd in igp. Shame on AMD they ruined the name of ATI

Good for Intel that they after many years created decent iGPU. However  as psychics test suggest CPU performance of Tiger Lake is still 2 years behind Ryzens.