Quote from: King J on May 10, 2020, 05:14:46
As for the comment about turing not aging well: It was a proof of concept for the RT cores, DLSS etc. They didn't have the formula figured out completely and you won't be able to use a lot of the features that even the xx60 series Ampere cards will. That doesn't mean those cards get slower all of a sudden, It just means they will start lagging in performance noticeably as new games take advantage of Ampere's significantly better RT performance. The performance won't scale linearly when comparing generations side by side.

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Funny he makes analogy between Nvidia's Kepler and DirectX12. Kepler was released in 2012 while Windows 10 was released in 2015 (Windows 10 is required in order to run DirectX 12). It was designed and sold as a native DirectX11 card. DirectX12 support was only added later on.

DirectX12 Ultimate is fully integrated into Turing Cards, unlike Kepler and DirectX 12. It runs it natively.

We currently have good Ray-tracing, but only for 1080p. Ampere should bring ray-tracing to 1440p and 4k.

As I understand it, the analogy is about the performance jump between generations, not the circumstances. Back when RTX cards were released and ray-tracing frame rates were in, it was said that the next generation is going to be much better. It was an early implementation and a glimpse into the future. It facilitated development.

As for the comment about turing not aging well: It was a proof of concept for the RT cores, DLSS etc. They didn't have the formula figured out completely and you won't be able to use a lot of the features that even the xx60 series Ampere cards will. That doesn't mean those cards get slower all of a sudden, It just means they will start lagging in performance noticeably as new games take advantage of Ampere's significantly better RT performance. The performance won't scale linearly when comparing generations side by side.

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Funny he makes analogy between Nvidia's Kepler and DirectX12. Kepler was released in 2012 while Windows 10 was released in 2015 (Windows 10 is required in order to run DirectX 12). It was designed and sold as a native DirectX11 card. DirectX12 support was only added later on.

DirectX12 Ultimate is fully integrated into Turing Cards, unlike Kepler and DirectX 12. It runs it natively.

We currently have good Ray-tracing, but only for 1080p. Ampere should bring ray-tracing to 1440p and 4k.

There seems to be a lot of people fundamentally misunderstanding the source of this information. Claiming that the slides look "unprofessional and therefore fake" is a giveaway.

Tom's leaks come from anonymous sources and he is the one that compiled the information into the slides. These are not slide decks out of Nvidia; this is analysis and leaks that they don't want out yet. It's pretty funny how people call him an AMD shill even though he's very impressed with how Turing looks so far.

As for the comment about turing not aging well: It was a proof of concept for the RT cores, DLSS etc. They didn't have the formula figured out completely and you won't be able to use a lot of the features that even the xx60 series Ampere cards will. That doesn't mean those cards get slower all of a sudden, It just means they will start lagging in performance noticeably as new games take advantage of Ampere's significantly better RT performance. The performance won't scale linearly when comparing generations side by side.

The IPC gains aren't referring to Ray Tracing, that's overall performance improvement from uArch and process improvements.

For those of you that are genuinely interested I highly recommend you go watch the source video and not just an article reporting on it. If you want quality analysis and not just fanboy circle jerks, Moore's Law Is Dead is a fantastic channel.

QuoteIf the above information is indeed true, what this essentially means is that Turing will not age well in comparison to the upcoming Ampere cards. Those who have spent quite a lot for the high-end RTX 2080 Super and RTX 2080 Ti may find that a US$300-350 Ampere card might very well offer a similar performance incentive.

Or NVIDIA will simply up the prices of the 30XX. Would not be the first time: Hey a mid tier card with former high end performance... Let it cost 500 bucks and fill the gaps with 3055 SUPERS  >:D

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I bought a RTX 2080ti in Oct. 2018. How does that not mean age well? If you buy something because you need it today and next year something way better comes out,how it that a loss? Such silly logic. Let's wait years and years to game well like AMD tells us. I'd say people who jumped on rDumbNA users are at the loss. Still driver and software issues I'm reading.

That look like not enough for them to compete with 100% driver compatible with ported PS5/XB gaming RDND2 dGPU.

The wording in those slides is so unprofessional, it's obviously fake.

That's...just ray tracing right, IPC of ~+10%/2yrs is on the low side and Samsung's 8nm is more like a 10nm++, which is really disappointing considering AMD's been on 7nm for a generation already.

as i thought better skip this generation. wait for rdna 2, ampere, intel 10nm and zen 3

My money is on the RED team this gen. Sure, NVIDIA's gpu may be a tad faster in the beginning but rumors has it that AMD is looking into 3nm while NVIDIA (let's not forget about Intel creeping in) just chucking alone with 7nm/5nm.

Competition is KING!