Quote from: william blake on May 04, 2020, 15:42:18
Quote from: Valantar on May 03, 2020, 21:20:55
Care to explain what a "false recommendation" is? The only way a recommendation can be "false" is if the person giving the recommendation is flat-out lying
lying is one of the options. you can give a false recommendation because you have no idea about the subject. or you can repeat something what was wrong already.
saying do not use userbenchmark for hardware comparisons-in most cases is a shot in the foot.
Quote from: Valantar on May 03, 2020, 21:20:55
look at the 3DMark database for easily read overall component comparisons for gaming if that's what you're after, the TechPowerUp GPU database gives you a quick performance comparison of all GPUs they've tested (or just check any recent review for a comprehensive look at ~20 games in three resolutions), check out AnandTech Bench for anything they've tested, or look at component reviews done by professional reviewers if you want a proper understanding based on reliable data and analysis done by highly knowledgeable people. AnandTech is great, TechPowerUp is good, TechSpot is great, GamersNexus is great - and there are heaps of others. If you're looking for a full PC, sites like Hexus or PC World regularly do reviews of prebuilt systems. There are plenty of better alternatives to UB - and most of them have the advantage that you'll actually learn something while comparing hardware.
i am a userbenchmark user. AND an amd supporter since 90ths. sure i dont like made up ratings which contradicts to their own data, but i can live without this 2% of numbers i need.
i am using userbenchmark for my hobby-searching/comparing/choosing laptops for my friends/colleagues/random people.
and i tell you one thing for sure.
you either liar or a complete noob.
any places you mentioned, is ten times less useful. TEN TIMES.
userbenchmark is THE database, all-in one. "reviews" is a joke, right?
(still not sure, maybe you are a troll, quality troll)
Wow, I've come to expect a load of drivel from you, but you just hit a new low. Congratulations, I guess? Calling someone arguing against you both a liar, a noob and a troll in one post? Pure class, dude. Well done. Though for next time, might I suggest counting to ten and then trying to present an actual argument rather than lashing out? Because so far I haven't seen one from you. Saying "Userbenchmark is the best!" is not an argument, it is a statement of opinion that you should present arguments to support. Of course you are very welcome to present arguments as to why I am a liar (that would be incredibly interesting, frankly), troll or noob. The ball is in your court.
Also,
pretty please, present an on-topic and relevant argument as to why
reading reviews is a bad idea. I would love to see that. Truly. Oh, by the way, what are you doing on NotebookCheck if you don't like reading product reviews?
I also sincerely hope you never have to do any type of data gathering or analysis in a professional setting given your repeatedly professed lack of caring about reliability and overall data quality. That is a truly frightening attitude for anyone even borderline curious about anything, let alone someone who seeks to do research on the basis of which advice will be given to others whether privately or professionally.
As for your hobby - going by what you are saying, I'm happy I have never been in a position to receive a recommendation from you. Userbenchmark is
terrible for comparing laptops. I mean, they don't even compare laptops, nor do they have any tools suited to the task! They
only do per-component data presentation. And they don't even differentiate between mobile and non-mobile products - when looking at a mobile CPU most of the suggested comparisons are irrelevant desktop chips! Which means that no matter the amount of research you use UB for, you aren't even close to getting a holistic picture of the products you are trying to compare. A laptop is
so much more than the sum of its CPU, GPU and storage performance. What is the display quality like? What are the keyboard and trackpad like? What is battery life like? What is the cooling like? No idea, 'cause UserBenchmark doesn't look into
any of that! From someone who has worked near a decade in retail selling computer products, that is
entirely the wrong way of approaching the problem of "which laptop to pick". First you identify the user's budget, use case (which of course sets requirements for performance) and other preferences (such as ergonomics, design, build quality, screen quality, inputs, etc.). Then you narrow down your selection based on those requirements, and when you arrive at a handful of alternatives (2-3 is best, though even 5 is manageable) you need
in-depth knowledge of the specifics of how the PC is to use - which of course includes performance in the relevant tasks, but also crucially includes build quality, ergonomics and other things that a) most users appreciate far more than they are able to put into words on their own accord (as these things are generally taken for granted until something different is presented; a large part of why Apple fans are so loyal - Apple does these things brilliantly (with the notable exception of the butterfly keyboards, obviously)) and b) at this point determining what will give the overall better user experience is
far more important than which PC scores the highest in whatever benchmark you are looking at. And, I mean, even if looking at pure performance data, even NotebookCheck's product information pages for CPUs and GPUs are far more informative and trustworthy than UserBenchmark! At the very least when reading those you can trust that the data is gathered in a proper manner, eliminating possible errors and variables that might otherwise skew the data and thus misrepresent reality.
Oh, sorry, had to edit this to bring up one last thing: that "false recommendation" nonsense of yours. First you make the rather extreme statement that
Quote from: william blake on May 03, 2020, 19:31:57
you hate someone you give a false recommendation to.
Which is an absolutely absurd statement positing a direct (and exclusive) causal link between giving a "false recommendation" and actual hatred of the person in question. It becomes even more absurd given your further explanation that
Quote from: william blake on May 04, 2020, 15:42:18
lying is one of the options. you can give a false recommendation because you have no idea about the subject. or you can repeat something what was wrong already.
Let's parse this together. So a "false recommendation" can either be an outright lie or be based on ignorance (willful or not). Of course one of the possible reasons for lying to someone is indeed that you hate them, though hate is an extreme feeling and thus highly unlikely - simple dislike (which is not hate by any means) is far more likely, as are other explanations like wanting to mess with someone, misunderstanding their wants or needs, or any other source of misunderstanding (such as language or other communication issues). Yet by your own words - after all, you interjected this as a response to me - you seem to see ignorance as
more likely an explanation than lying. Which then means that, by your own statements, giving wrongful advice based on a lack of knowledge (ignorance) to someone is
done because of hatred of that person. Seriously? This is the most nonsensical babble I have seen in
ages. How can hatred of another person cause ignorance of an unrelated subject? Again: I would
love to see you argue for this.
Oh, and that "I wouldn't recommend (UB) = I recommend you nothing" line is pure nonsense - I have after all presented a list to you of alternative sources of information, of which recommendations could indeed be based.
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