VCore is at 1.408
Bus Speed 99.73 is really slow,
I suggest they are maximised on the Multiplier so they use the Block. That why they have a terrible build... ZZzzzZZZzzz

Well we see the memory sit at 1600Mhz, while the CPU is at 5GHz,  with a High Latency, downclocked from 3000 or 3200 or 3600, probably mean the auto set in the bios load a default profile with OC clocks, can't take the Memory clock higher with current CPU frequencies, pretty simple.

1 kg too heavy.   Runs too hot as well.   Otherwise not bad.

Alternatively: This 120Hz panel offers a middle-ground for very good colours (100%sRGB, 94% NTSC), whilst having a low response time and decent contrast!

N156HHE-GA1 from the GE63: www notebookcheck.net/MSI-GE63-Raider-RGB-8RF-i7-8750H-GTX-1070-FHD-Laptop-Review.323940.0.html

Put the fucking panel and Ryzen 4000 in your laptop a**-ro!

Quote from: _MT_ on April 24, 2020, 13:37:58The problem IMHO isn't whether +50 % in dB corresponds to +50 % in perceived loudness, but the simple fact that it's hard to imagine what a particular dB value sounds like. It's an objective measure but my brain isn't working in dB.

There are some helpful guides you can google. In short:
Anything above 40dB will be very clearly identifiable as a single source of sound even in a fairly busy room, and anything over 50dB is approaching the sound level of normal conversation and will be very annoying after a short while - especially if it's fairly high-pitched, as fans on these slim laptops tend to be. It'll definitely still be audible with headphones on unless they provide very strong sound isolation. It's also the sort of volume where if you're sat next to it, people will need to raise their voices for you to hear them clearly.

Quote from: william blake on April 24, 2020, 11:08:52
question is-what frequencies memory working at. i saw dozens of comet lake test info and it was always 2933 or 3200@2933.
same with 2666 in the previous gen.
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nevertheless 50db->75db feels not +50% noise, right?

Of course that's what matters as far as performance. But the article isn't claiming it's running at 3200 MHz. It's claiming that they use DDR4-3200 modules. You were asking whether they're sure they're really 3200. Not whether they're actually running at 3200 MHz. Personally, I'm not expecting them to.

You know, I don't go about my day measuring sound levels. So I have no clue. Frankly, I can't really even imagine what twice as loud would be like for a given sound. Just as twice as bright is hard to imagine for me. The problem IMHO isn't whether +50 % in dB corresponds to +50 % in perceived loudness, but the simple fact that it's hard to imagine what a particular dB value sounds like. It's an objective measure but my brain isn't working in dB.

Where are laptop photos beside those 3 press images?

Quote from: _MT_ on April 24, 2020, 07:59:20
Intel is generally listing recommended frequencies, not maximum. Intel processors can go even higher than 3200. It actually depends on the motherboard/ chipset.

question is-what frequencies memory working at. i saw dozens of comet lake test info and it was always 2933 or 3200@2933.
same with 2666 in the previous gen.

Quote from: _MT_ on April 24, 2020, 07:59:20
Our ears are logarithmic as well, so to speak (I guess to facilitate huge dynamic range). That's why we use logarithmic unit to describe sound level. And mixing linear with logarithmic would not only be nonsense, but also confusing. For us, doubling the noise in linear terms is hardly perceptible. Despite pressure increasing drastically.

nevertheless 50db->75db feels not +50% noise, right?

Quote from: william blake on April 23, 2020, 18:29:09
two questions:
-3200 memory? are you sure? afair comet lake is limited to 2933.
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-do you guys realize that decibels are logarithmic? i see +14% over previous aero shouldnt it be +100% or something?

Intel is generally listing recommended frequencies, not maximum. Intel processors can go even higher than 3200. It actually depends on the motherboard/ chipset. I believe 3200 was recommended as the best alternative to 2933 when not available. I vaguely recall the problem was the difference between Intel and AMD. Manufacturers wanted to accommodate AMD which led to a shortage of 2933 modules. I'm not talking about Comet Lake in particular but I imagine it's not any worse in this respect. For example, Dell has been offering 3200 modules in their laptops for some time. I think they replaced 2933 modules. But this isn't something I pay too much attention to.

Our ears are logarithmic as well, so to speak (I guess to facilitate huge dynamic range). That's why we use logarithmic unit to describe sound level. And mixing linear with logarithmic would not only be nonsense, but also confusing. For us, doubling the noise in linear terms is hardly perceptible. Despite pressure increasing drastically.

Quote from: alkalwh on April 23, 2020, 18:50:33
Just undervolt it if you care so much about decibels. Same perfomance but less heat and less cooling fan load. Google it.

thank you so much. i should tell this recipe to the manufacturers.

Quote from: william blake on April 23, 2020, 18:29:09
two questions:
-3200 memory? are you sure? afair comet lake is limited to 2933.

It can go up till 3200, but Intel hasn't tested compat officially.

Quote from: alkalwh on April 23, 2020, 18:50:33
Just undervolt it if you care so much about decibels. Same perfomance but less heat and less cooling fan load. Google it.

Actually, laptops with 10th gen Intel and Ryzen 4000 series can not be undervolted, has far as i know. That feature is locked in the BIOS.

This is the most important thing about notebooks performance: their relative level of thermal/power/noise capacity. Reviews without cpu/gpu sustained wattage numbers under load are the absolute garbage. Very lousy job.

Just undervolt it if you care so much about decibels. Same perfomance but less heat and less cooling fan load. Google it.

two questions:
-3200 memory? are you sure? afair comet lake is limited to 2933.
-extra 7db in witcher, but +~10% more fps does not seem as upgrade over previous version.
actually three, the third question is
-do you guys realize that decibels are logarithmic? i see +14% over previous aero shouldnt it be +100% or something?
(laughing at guys who were unhappy with renoir laptops prices. screen+slight gpu upgrade=+1k money, are you happy now? )