Tests are out and the MX350 is 50-100% faster than the 4700U's Vega in actual games on this laptop.

I don't care if MX350 is way better than iGPU or not. I desperately want to see a real product as soon as possible no matter what it's 4800u, 4900u or 4900hs.

Quote from: LHPSU on April 19, 2020, 06:57:50

Quote from: Astar on April 18, 2020, 23:40:33

Quote from: LHPSU on April 18, 2020, 22:27:21
MX350 is about twice as fast in most games compared to the old Vega 8. How much do you expect Renoir to improve on the iGPU?

Google!
AMD Ryzen 9 4900HS Beats The GeForce MX350
segmentnext.com/2020/03/11/amd-ryzen-9-4900hs-beats-the-geforce-mx350/

You realize your link didn't even have a single comparison benchmark, and it's essentially making a claim without any evidence to back it up? This is what happens to people who say Google and then don't actually look at what they Googled.

Plus it's well known that you need to compare them in real games, not benchmarks. The old Vega 8 could match the MX250 in some benchmarks, but it was generally quite a bit slower in actual gaming.

The only benchmark the old vega 8 won in was Ice storm looking at notebookcheck's comparison and its within the margin of error.

There do seem to be some game that old Vega 8 wins in as well like Dirt Rally 2.0 (but it looses most)

So not sure what you are talking about.

Quote from: Astar on April 18, 2020, 23:40:33

Quote from: LHPSU on April 18, 2020, 22:27:21
MX350 is about twice as fast in most games compared to the old Vega 8. How much do you expect Renoir to improve on the iGPU?

Google!
AMD Ryzen 9 4900HS Beats The GeForce MX350
segmentnext.com/2020/03/11/amd-ryzen-9-4900hs-beats-the-geforce-mx350/

You realize your link didn't even have a single comparison benchmark, and it's essentially making a claim without any evidence to back it up? This is what happens to people who say Google and then don't actually look at what they Googled.

Plus it's well known that you need to compare them in real games, not benchmarks. The old Vega 8 could match the MX250 in some benchmarks, but it was generally quite a bit slower in actual gaming.

Quote from: EvHu on April 19, 2020, 02:38:21

Quote from: A on April 19, 2020, 01:18:27
This is so stupid! Why in the world would you waste money on an MX350 when the iGPU inside the renoir is pretty much virtually identical? If they wanted more gpu processing power, they would have been better off going with the 4900HS or the 4900H.

@william blake - Look, no one is saying iGPUs are better than dedicated GPUs. But that is when comparing REAL dGPUs. Not the low end junk that is the MX350. You are just consuming extra battery, making drivers more complex, wasting extra space, and making your laptop weight more.

Look, if any sane person was given a choice, I'd take a larger battery and larger heatsink over that MX350 any day.

You free up the constraint TDP of the u series APU to go entirely towards the CPU in demanding workloads. Plus in real world workloads the mx350 would be a fair bit faster. IGPUs perform disproportionatly well in benchmarks like you linked, probably due to a combination of low memory bandwidth/latency and poor drivers. Just look at Intel's G7 vs mx250.

As long as there's an Optimus equivalent the affect to battery life should be minimal, and better than a more power hungry H/HS skew while not using the GPU. The amount of physical space used should be minimal as well.

But then why not just go for the H series or the HS series?

You are aware that the MX350 is effectively an old GTX1050 right? But with lower memory bus and TDP. But it still has 25W TDP. It is based on old 14nm and isn't very energy efficient.

Optimus is a mess and often times causes more problems. Even more so when you mix AMD and Nvidia.

But what do you consider "real world"? If it is web, shutting off the gpu on and off constantly is gonna be a mess. For gaming, your performance improvement will be marginal.

As for G7 vs MX250, in synthetic benchmarks. You can't compare AMD and Intel as many games are not optimized for Intel by developers. And Intel doesn't really do much of their own optimizations either. AMD does.

Quote from: A on April 19, 2020, 01:18:27
This is so stupid! Why in the world would you waste money on an MX350 when the iGPU inside the renoir is pretty much virtually identical? If they wanted more gpu processing power, they would have been better off going with the 4900HS or the 4900H.

@william blake - Look, no one is saying iGPUs are better than dedicated GPUs. But that is when comparing REAL dGPUs. Not the low end junk that is the MX350. You are just consuming extra battery, making drivers more complex, wasting extra space, and making your laptop weight more.

Look, if any sane person was given a choice, I'd take a larger battery and larger heatsink over that MX350 any day.

You free up the constraint TDP of the u series APU to go entirely towards the CPU in demanding workloads. Plus in real world workloads the mx350 would be a fair bit faster. IGPUs perform disproportionatly well in benchmarks like you linked, probably due to a combination of low memory bandwidth/latency and poor drivers. Just look at Intel's G7 vs mx250.

As long as there's an Optimus equivalent the affect to battery life should be minimal, and better than a more power hungry H/HS skew while not using the GPU. The amount of physical space used should be minimal as well.

This is so stupid! Why in the world would you waste money on an MX350 when the iGPU inside the renoir is pretty much virtually identical? If they wanted more gpu processing power, they would have been better off going with the 4900HS or the 4900H.

@william blake - Look, no one is saying iGPUs are better than dedicated GPUs. But that is when comparing REAL dGPUs. Not the low end junk that is the MX350. You are just consuming extra battery, making drivers more complex, wasting extra space, and making your laptop weight more.

Look, if any sane person was given a choice, I'd take a larger battery and larger heatsink over that MX350 any day.

Quote from: Vajra on April 18, 2020, 22:24:28
Can you post the link again for everyone to see?

https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/124967122

Quote from: Astar on April 18, 2020, 23:40:33
Nvidia's MX350 isn't TU118, and AMD's Renoir Makes it Pointless
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb7qh4dtA7c

moore's law is dead is a bona fide noob. he is religious and unable to learn. the most ignorant guy on youtube. or a paid  liar

Quote from: LHPSU on April 18, 2020, 22:27:21
MX350 is about twice as fast in most games compared to the old Vega 8. How much do you expect Renoir to improve on the iGPU?

Google!
AMD Ryzen 9 4900HS Beats The GeForce MX350
https://segmentnext.com/2020/03/11/amd-ryzen-9-4900hs-beats-the-geforce-mx350/

Nvidia's MX350 isn't TU118, and AMD's Renoir Makes it Pointless
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb7qh4dtA7c

Quote from: LHPSU on April 18, 2020, 22:27:21
MX350 is about twice as fast in most games compared to the old Vega 8. How much do you expect Renoir to improve on the iGPU?

We already have some idea from the Asus ROG G14 (which admittedly has a much higher TDP, but only has 3200 MHz memory). Vega 8 in the 4900HS it is about 1.5x - 3x faster while gaming than the old Vega 8 in the 3500U (AMD has increased frequency significantly due to 7nm and claims a 59% performance increase per compute unit - including memory bandwidth increases). The MX350 is a marginal upgrade at best. It is not worth the extra space, weight or cost for Asus to include a MX350. If a vendor wants to include a discrete GPU shouldn't it at least double the performance of the integrated GPU to make it worth it?

MX350 is about twice as fast in most games compared to the old Vega 8. How much do you expect Renoir to improve on the iGPU?

Quote from: william blake on April 18, 2020, 21:56:04
renoir-u and mx 350 is a great pairing for a thin 1,2-1,3kg laptop.
im so tired of this anti-consumer behavior from media telling me i dont need a discrete gpu.
stop this s*** please, stop lying to me. and stop raising the army of igpu believers.
first, mx350 is much faster
second, mx350 is a brand new sku, current intel zenbooks are all with mx 250.
third, mx 350 is enough for a very thin and light, no extra noise and heat please.
forth, dgpu means my fast zen-2 cores are free to do whatever i need them to do in their full 15w power envelope. no lags, no wasted memory, and better driver support.

Yes you are right, it seems is a good choice.
Also that chinese review is fantastic, 5*, hope also the westerner reviewers will learn from it and how to do a good cpus/gpu review.
Can you post the link again for everyone to see?
Happy Easter

renoir-u and mx 350 is a great pairing for a thin 1,2-1,3kg laptop.
im so tired of this anti-consumer behavior from media telling me i dont need a discrete gpu.
stop this s*** please, stop lying to me. and stop raising the army of igpu believers.
first, mx350 is much faster
https://pic1.zhimg.com/80/v2-306b4682efc3ac92f6a57bf37dd1a774_720w.jpg
second, mx350 is a brand new sku, current intel zenbooks are all with mx 250.
third, mx 350 is enough for a very thin and light, no extra noise and heat please.
forth, dgpu means my fast zen-2 cores are free to do whatever i need them to do in their full 15w power envelope. no lags, no wasted memory, and better driver support.

Quote from: jiinnyang on April 18, 2020, 20:11:08
Is this because of the anti compete contracts Nvidia has in place? or is it Intel?

Seriously, why include the mx350 on a Vega8 equipped laptop instead of thunderbolt!? smh

Who knows, probably almost none will buy this model with nvidia, because in chinese gpu tests of 4800/4700u, in games is better than mx330(250) and almost on par with 350 when coupled with LPDDR4x RAM. Tdp 15W with turbo to 25W on Lenovo laptops. But it's fair because otherwise intel 15w + nvidia 25w is 35w.
Here with 25w (Lenovo)you have a system almost beating mx350 and a lot more power  for multitasking.

Is this because of the anti compete contracts Nvidia has in place? or is it Intel?

Seriously, why include the mx350 on a Vega8 equipped laptop instead of thunderbolt!? smh