Quote from: Gianni R on April 09, 2020, 01:09:16
I can't see this meaningfully competing with ARM, 10/20+nm competing with 7nm EUV? And Qualcomm has integrated 5G modems now, and where 5G is everything now Intel's team was bought out by Apple

The other guy gets it, unless ARM outruns this model on x86 emulation, it can compete.

Intel stated that there is an LTE modem chiplet for this foveros 3D stack.  All three of the current design wins also use Intel's discrete LTE modem chip.  I suspect next year's Lakefield successor will integrate the modem chiplet.

5G doesn't go through walls, so not a great solution for all cases.

QCOM competes with this, but apparently there are fans of x86 versions of windows 10. 

I can't see this meaningfully competing with ARM, 10/20+nm competing with 7nm EUV? And Qualcomm has integrated 5G modems now, and where 5G is everything now Intel's team was bought out by Apple

Quote from: kfldksadsamdsa on April 08, 2020, 19:33:51
I think we are verging on the hater side and this is not good.
Intel is in no sense obligated to put out parts that compete directly with what AMD has. Also they are free to explore other opportunities and given mobile is everything today, I think this is not a futile execise. Also, Intel getting a beating on desktop parts doesn't mean that automatically everything they do is s*** and what AMD does is great. AMD also has shitty products, like their software and buggy GPUs but nobody really talks about that.

1) AMD's software has improved a ton

2) Their GPUs aren't buggy, that isn't to say issues don't prop up on new releases but they tend to be fixed

3) AMD does have low power Ryzen R1000 which semi-compete, but they are still based on Zen 1 so they aren't that good.

4) That said, what does this have to do with AMD? This is trying to compete with ARM.  Not sure why you are bringing AMD into this.

Quote from: JayN on April 08, 2020, 19:58:41
Chip already has three design wins in Microsoft, Lenovo and Samsung products.  Low power and ultra low leakage were specified by Microsoft, who collaborated to define the chip for their Surface Neo.

intel is a monopoly, in case someone forgot it. so design wins is a given. remember kaby lake G intel+vega? remember the noise they made? where are they now?

Comparisons are only meaningful vs other chips that meet these constraints.

"Products built around Tremont will consume between 0.5W to 2W."
"Always on, always connected, very low standby Power"
"1/10th Standby Power"
"2.x mWStandby Battery Life"

Yeach I have seen people compare it to 2500u. As these units are 5/7W its rly bad example. It pretty great score as for 5W units. Also what we dont see here. There is one Big core and 4 small. We can expect some great single core score and nice Multi core scores as well. No to mention the 4 small cores are be totally turned off while idle. Battery times can be huge.

Chip already has three design wins in Microsoft, Lenovo and Samsung products.  Low power and ultra low leakage were specified by Microsoft, who collaborated to define the chip for their Surface Neo.

this poor lakefield is an experimental low-end, ofc no impressive numbers from it.

I think we are verging on the hater side and this is not good.
Intel is in no sense obligated to put out parts that compete directly with what AMD has. Also they are free to explore other opportunities and given mobile is everything today, I think this is not a futile execise. Also, Intel getting a beating on desktop parts doesn't mean that automatically everything they do is s*** and what AMD does is great. AMD also has shitty products, like their software and buggy GPUs but nobody really talks about that.