F, No matter, its competition. If intel cant do 7nm its their lose.
We compare Intel current product to AMD current product.
It can be even different sand, and be done from diamonds for Intel. not matter. We dont complain about Apple having 5nm ARM when Snapdragon is 7nm. We still compare them as their current products.

No s***. Its a 7nm process so obviously it's going to be a lot more power efficient compared to a 14nm CPU running at insane speeds. This is one of the dumbest article titles I've ever seen in my life. I clicked on this article just to say how stupid this is.

The obvious problem is that load matters. It makes no sense to compare numbers obtained from different tests. The 3950X can take about 150 W AFAIK, if not more (again, depends on the workload). Which is great. It's just a lot more than "less than 100 W".

Also, I thought it's well understood that having more cores at a lower frequency is more efficient than having fewer cores at a higher frequency. As long as the load scales out practically linearly. Up to a point. Because the cores have to be connected to memory and the more cores you have, the bigger problem the interconnect becomes.

So, for Intel, it's not just about efficiency of the node. They're at a disadvantage from the simple fact that they push higher frequencies. That's physics. Which can yield better results in practical loads (many loads don't scale out well at all). But in a benchmark designed to scale out, you're screwed. If you have to run at 5+ GHz and your competitor can match you at under 3 GHz (because he has double the cores, so can run at half the frequency with the same IPC), you really are screwed.

I'm not trying to defend the 10980HK. 5+ GHz chip in a laptop is kind of bonkers. It just doesn't fit with the mobile aspect. Consider how much power the desktop 8 core 5+ GHz chips take. Laptops don't exist in a separate universe. The same laws of physics apply. But articles like this are trash. Rather than providing interesting information and educating people, they just seek sensation. It pisses me off.

Quote from: 8&8 on April 03, 2020, 19:37:43
here proves! Intel's senior hw engineers are far better than amd one.

Wait for Zen5.

I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or serious. Considering your previous pro-intel/anti-amd comments.

You are aware by more power it isn't talking about processing power but how inefficient the processor is at usage of energy right?

In terms of processing power, the 3950X would run circles around the 10980HK

Quote from: gc on April 03, 2020, 19:10:27
Ha.  A little late, maybe could have been back dated to April 1 for the occasion.
(furmark is a gpu stress test and top ryzen cpus have no integrated gpu.)

Uh, you do realize Furmark has a CPU Burner function? Which is exactly what the tester was using, and which was pushing all 16 cores to 93 percent utilization per the task manager pane he had opened up?

here proves! Intel's senior hw engineers are far better than amd one.

Wait for Zen5.

Ha.  A little late, maybe could have been back dated to April 1 for the occasion.
(furmark is a gpu stress test and top ryzen cpus have no integrated gpu.)

A laptop CPU drawing 135W all by itself? What the heck?
That's not a laptop, that's a desktop replacement at best!

Not to worry.  I suspect OEMs will provide a power cord and brick with the comet lake-H laptops, and they'll run just as long as the plugged in AMD laptops.