Interesting Read. I wonder how others are measuring their laptops too. I always assumed it was just by the thickest point, if Dell did  not do that previously  then I assume other brands are still "playing games" with the true dimensions  of their notebooks and the weight likewise. I.E., only listing the weight of the lightest  non-touch version.

Quote from: MichaelWitten on February 07, 2020, 21:56:24

Quote from: S.Yu on February 07, 2020, 21:44:55

Quote from: Michael Witten on February 07, 2020, 08:57:20
Funny they change the way they measure it just to claim it's thinner and lighter. Reminds me of 0-60 speeds with cars, the car manufacturers starting doing a "rolling start 0-60", where the car goes forward 1-2 feet before they start the clock, which artificially allowed a huge improvement in 0-60 when your talking 3-4 second times. Then they boast about it.

Good to know it's not really more portable than before.

No, you got it backwards. They're now measuring possibly the thickest point on the device, or someplace very close, while previously it was two points, the very front and the very back, provided in a misleading format that seems to suggest a range--it's not a range because neither of these two points are the thickest point on the device, the former "x mm-y mm" format is actually not a range.

Ah, I just re-read, my apologies. So last model was 15.8 at thickest point, this one is 14.8M. So thinner but barely.

But it is heavier apparently, which is unfortunate. I'd like it to be lighter as time goes on. "Ultra" portable.

That would be unlikely as well. The former 1.23kg in all likelihood was the weight of the non-touch version, and the non-touch version of this generation is 1.2kg.

I do agree that the XPS 13 is not a light device though, my 7390 2-in-1 is quite hefty in the hand.

Quote from: S.Yu on February 07, 2020, 21:44:55

Quote from: Michael Witten on February 07, 2020, 08:57:20
Funny they change the way they measure it just to claim it's thinner and lighter. Reminds me of 0-60 speeds with cars, the car manufacturers starting doing a "rolling start 0-60", where the car goes forward 1-2 feet before they start the clock, which artificially allowed a huge improvement in 0-60 when your talking 3-4 second times. Then they boast about it.

Good to know it's not really more portable than before.

No, you got it backwards. They're now measuring possibly the thickest point on the device, or someplace very close, while previously it was two points, the very front and the very back, provided in a misleading format that seems to suggest a range--it's not a range because neither of these two points are the thickest point on the device, the former "x mm-y mm" format is actually not a range.

Ah, I just re-read, my apologies. So last model was 15.8 at thickest point, this one is 14.8M. So thinner but barely.

But it is heavier apparently, which is unfortunate. I'd like it to be lighter as time goes on. "Ultra" portable.

Quote from: Michael Witten on February 07, 2020, 08:57:20
Funny they change the way they measure it just to claim it's thinner and lighter. Reminds me of 0-60 speeds with cars, the car manufacturers starting doing a "rolling start 0-60", where the car goes forward 1-2 feet before they start the clock, which artificially allowed a huge improvement in 0-60 when your talking 3-4 second times. Then they boast about it.

Good to know it's not really more portable than before.

No, you got it backwards. They're now measuring possibly the thickest point on the device, or someplace very close, while previously it was two points, the very front and the very back, provided in a misleading format that seems to suggest a range--it's not a range because neither of these two points are the thickest point on the device, the former "x mm-y mm" format is actually not a range.

Funny they change the way they measure it just to claim it's thinner and lighter. Reminds me of 0-60 speeds with cars, the car manufacturers starting doing a "rolling start 0-60", where the car goes forward 1-2 feet before they start the clock, which artificially allowed a huge improvement in 0-60 when your talking 3-4 second times. Then they boast about it.

Good to know it's not really more portable than before.

No buttons on touchpad=piece of junk

Without Tiger Lake it remains to be seen how XPS13 could be more powerful than the 2019 model.

dear dell, we don't care how much thinner you can make your notebook, we want a notebook that is actually designed to use the hardware without throttling. get a clue from apple on the 16 inch and upcoming 14 inch. good thermals/noise/hardware/battery/performance is what we want in our xps

Who cares how thin or thick a computer is... it's important how it WORKS!

last xps was 50 milliseconds grey-to-grey and hella noisy for a 15w cpu.
this is what you call premium?
f*** you oems. this s*** is unbearable. make your devices quiet and with a proper screens, THEN we will talk about how thin is your bezels.