Quote from: MarkKr on June 02, 2019, 20:05:03
NSA in the US is not any better and neither is Trump. Trump is only following Israel's policies and agendas to keep China from growing any bigger. Their goal now is to break China up like they did in middl east to other countries.

The amount of surveillance in the US and even with Trump has not remotely encroached on the state of affairs in China. Can you imagine what the US would be like with something similar to China's social credit system with public AI-based surveillance and shaming? How about regulated gaming hours? Or state approved social blogging, media and basically thought? What the US and NSA does, based on what we know from say, Wikileaks is terrible, but it at least can be democratically filtered, if not now, then it is a process subject to the guidance of the American people. As dysfunctional as the current US democracy is - China isn't even one. Let's also not forget that  June 4th marks an anniversary of the Tiananmen massacre, an event that foreshadowed the overpowering and overbearing presence of the Chinese government on its own citizens.

Quote from: thecalmcritic on June 02, 2019, 16:55:54

Quote from: S.Yu on June 02, 2019, 16:09:24
The Chinese government's banned Google for years, it's even recently banned Wikipedia because publically edited content does not agree with their brainwash, now they get a taste of their own medicine.

And it's the same parallel? Did the ban completely or was designed to kill Google off? Huge diff...

Seriously even an uneducated astro turfer can see that

Google IS killed off inside of China.  You can't access its stores, its services or its search engine. China has its own local replacements for all of that.  Doing business in China is hell. There is never certainty in anything and local laws can change like the wind. Microsoft managed to stay post-2008 because they gave backdoor access to the government. Apple has been grappling with the Chinese for a long time now over many similar issues.

The huge difference is that western corporations like Google, Microsoft and Apple needs China as an eventual expansion market, but is not dependent on China for its survival.  China on the other hand, sells its stuff to the west for its survival.  That's why China can't kill Google/Microsoft/Apple despite it trying very hard.

NSA in the US is not any better and neither is Trump. Trump is only following Israel's policies and agendas to keep China from growing any bigger. Their goal now is to break China up like they did in middl east to other countries.

Quote from: S.Yu on June 02, 2019, 16:09:24
The Chinese government's banned Google for years, it's even recently banned Wikipedia because publically edited content does not agree with their brainwash, now they get a taste of their own medicine.

And it's the same parallel? Did the ban completely or was designed to kill Google off? Huge diff...

Seriously even an uneducated astro turfer can see that

The Chinese government's banned Google for years, it's even recently banned Wikipedia because publically edited content does not agree with their brainwash, now they get a taste of their own medicine.

China bans all things western willy nilly, from entire companies to critical services including most of what Google provides for over a decade now.  Android services provided by Google are not open source, Google has controlling rights for its services.

If Huawei wants to do business outside of China, it needs to build trust, something Chinese companies do not do inside of China, because it is a protected garden.  Or, build and sell your own technologies independent of the west.  No one is forcing Huawei to use Google technology, or ARM technology. 

What evidence is that China used Huawei to spy on other nations? What would be the difference with the American NSA knowingly spying on other countries using its commercial US infrastructure? Can arbitrary protectionist restrictions be applied regardless of international trade agreement? How can Google restrict the use of Android if it was supposed to be open source? If you do business with the US you better have a plan B ready.

I feel bad for huawei.