My question is different - how XZ Premium got better score? Sony has big problems with their camera software, however Pie bring better one, a little, but always, and XZ3 makes better pphotos than XZp/XZ1 or at least was, when this devices was still on Nougat/Oreo. And Nougat/Oreo were the soft they were tested. By that I mean that XZ3 score is not the right one, but at least a little faked.

And one more thing - DxO "forgot" that XZ3 had Bokeh mode and that didn't test it.

Concluding: The score of XZ3 should be closer to 90, not below 80. It's still bad, but better than this "fake" one.
It makes me wonder if the rumors of "pay for score" are true...

Quote from: Michael W on March 24, 2019, 20:08:40
DXOMARK, um, forgot to review the entire XZ2 line, including the XZ2 Premium, which I suspect would have outperformed the XZ3.

The problem with their benchmarks is that they don't weight well for typical use cases. I agree, Sony's sensors have fallen behind, and they don't handle extreme shooting requirements as well as certain phones; however, a typical smartphone user who isn't specifically seeking those specific conditions may notice the difference one out of every 300 shots. I haven't experienced the highlight clipping described by DXOMARK, though I am using a higher-end model than the one reviewed.

I've been shooting with my XZ2 Premium since August, and have gone so far as to take side-by-side shots with the latest Samsung and iPhone models. Generally speaking, the Bokeh is better on other high-end devices. However, the high saturation in low light (a detriment in the benchmark) actually creates visually appealing images with a wider spectrum of colors compared to an iPhone taking the same shot. I have only experienced unusual chroma noise in night shooting, but my night shots also end up sharper than others'. It's easier to correct the noise than to sharpen an image, so I'm okay with it.

I'm interested to see what the Xperia 1 scores later this year, since it's the closest yet to a successor to the XZ Premium and XZ2 Premium, neither of which were scored by DXOMARK

XZ Premium was tested by DxOMark. Scored 83, I believe.

DXOMARK, um, forgot to review the entire XZ2 line, including the XZ2 Premium, which I suspect would have outperformed the XZ3.

The problem with their benchmarks is that they don't weight well for typical use cases. I agree, Sony's sensors have fallen behind, and they don't handle extreme shooting requirements as well as certain phones; however, a typical smartphone user who isn't specifically seeking those specific conditions may notice the difference one out of every 300 shots. I haven't experienced the highlight clipping described by DXOMARK, though I am using a higher-end model than the one reviewed.

I've been shooting with my XZ2 Premium since August, and have gone so far as to take side-by-side shots with the latest Samsung and iPhone models. Generally speaking, the Bokeh is better on other high-end devices. However, the high saturation in low light (a detriment in the benchmark) actually creates visually appealing images with a wider spectrum of colors compared to an iPhone taking the same shot. I have only experienced unusual chroma noise in night shooting, but my night shots also end up sharper than others'. It's easier to correct the noise than to sharpen an image, so I'm okay with it.

I'm interested to see what the Xperia 1 scores later this year, since it's the closest yet to a successor to the XZ Premium and XZ2 Premium, neither of which were scored by DXOMARK

"It's almost incomprehensible that Sony has consistently been unable to deliver competitive camera performance from its flagships so far. "

How can you make that statement, when before DxO made changes mid 2017, Sony flagships where getting competitive top scores?

I can't post links -
dxomark.com/2017-smartphone-cameras-as-good-never-before/

lol that sounds bad enough that I don't need to read the review, it's probably true. The "noise around the edges" problem should only be due to in camera shadow lifting which should only be prominent with especially fast lenses, how Sony manages that with an f/2(IIRC) smartphone lens design(and also blurry edges) baffles me.

They can say whatever they want (Sony), but in reality, they are just retarded. Who the hell works on their smartphones? Why is there no market analysis? Don't they see in their mobile department what cameras modern smartphones use? Don't they have YouTube and nobody watches it?
They could fix (somewhat) their camera by making pixel binning upgrade to fix that retarded dynamic range on their phones at the very least.
Oh wait forget that, they have completely retarded 48mpxl sensor now.. could make much better 12 mpxl sensor in the same 1/1.8 package and win over competition.. no wait.. why do that.. just stick some random 200$ level phone crap sensor and roll out!