guys is i7 7700hq, gtx 1070 and 120hz gsync for a £1100 a good deal? or that CPU is a so outdated in 2019

I'm curious on how the other MAX-Q configurations perform in comparison to these. I didn't check on the 2080 yet, but the 2070 version in this example is using the lowest strength configurations (which is about 45% less).

Quote from: siciwuwe on January 29, 2019, 23:15:49

Quote from: Glorious 60fps on January 29, 2019, 19:17:43

Quote from: tmp634 on January 29, 2019, 16:04:37
Disappointing. Turing offers little efficiency improvements over Pascal and the pricing is as bad as their desktop parts. Looking at the other reviews, the 2060 can't match the 1070 on average and yet 2060 laptops (and MXM cards) are priced about the same if not more expensive than even 1070 laptops (even when they launched 3 years ago). The 2070/2080 and especially Max-Q variants are even worse in value. Time Spy isn't going to be representative of gaming performance for most games in the near future. If you have a 10-series laptop, I'd say skip this gen and wait for the next architecture update when Ray Tracing tech becomes more mature. Nvidia is getting very greedy with pricing, and they're becoming like Intel on the CPU side: 5-10% improvement each gen and more expensive chips.

What a load of crap!! Rtx 2060 is about almost double more powerful than gtx 1060. And you say that it's only 5-10% improvement compared to last gen? Lols. Also rtx 2060 laptops are listed for the same price as gtx 1060 laptops.

Get real man, the 2060 is nowhere near double a 1060, unless you compare tasks specifically optimized for it like ray tracing and low level D3D APIs, which is pointless anyways. Looking at the frame rates in most games, it's only about 30-40% faster on average. Price wise, most 2060 laptops are in the $1500-1800 range. That's around the price that 1070 laptops launched at 3 years ago, and it can't even beat a 1070. If that's not disappointing to you, look at the past launches of corresponding mobile GPUs:

GTX 970M (2014) easily beats GTX 680M (2012) also much cheaper
GTX 1060 (2016) easily beats GTX 980M (2014) also much cheaper
RTX 2060 (2019) can't beat GTX 1070 (2016) and same price

The ~80W mobile GPUs could outperform the previous gen higher end/flagship models with ease and launched significantly cheaper. That's clearly not the case now and Nvidia is raising prices across the board with Turing.

Guys, let's get something clear, performance can't increase linearly from generation to generation, I think nvidia pushed the limits of technology already.

The performance part is not disappointing, the thing is that you are spoiled by the performance curve between generations. If you say that the performance between 1060 and 2060 is ONLY 40% different, and you think that is small, I'd take a 40% salary increase any time.

Now, what is unacceptable and disappointing is linear price, for non-linear performance. Then again you need to take into consideration that you are paying for new 6 cores CPUs as well, new design, slimmer bezels, and whatnot.

And yet as someone already mentioned, RTX 2060 (the only real RTX value) are selling at the same price as 1070MaxQ laptops. Around 10% more performance I reckon, for the same price, disappointing? I do not think so. Anything beyond an RTX 2060 is disappointing from a performance/value point of view.

How is 2060 Vs 1070 max q. Some good deals on 1070 max q right now

Quote from: abdhul on January 30, 2019, 14:15:28

Quote from: senso on January 30, 2019, 13:23:10

Quote from: tmp52 on January 29, 2019, 21:00:42

Quote from: Glorious 60fps on January 29, 2019, 19:14:48
Anyone who is saying it's so expensive without doing any research,should stop commenting bullshit. RTX 2060 laptops will be same price as gtx 1060 and much cheaper than gtx 1070 laptops. IGN just posted an article about rtx laptop prices. There's an rtx 2060 laptop for 899$ listed.
As for performance,did you guys even read the article? It clearly said rtx 2060 is a huge jump over it's predecessor and easily beats gtx 1070,almost on par with gtx 1080 laptop.

It's funny how you ask people to stop commenting bullshit when you do the same yourself. The IGN post you talk about lists a $899 PRE-BUILT DESKTOP 2060 at walmart

The cheapest 2060 laptop is the MSI GL63 for $1499

So it's actually same price as 1070 laptops or even higher, while being the same performance as the 1070 laptop version (read this post again)

"Almost on par with gtx 1080 laptop" Yeah sure buddy. The 1080 laptop = 2070 laptop and 1070 laptop = 2060 laptop, you didn't even read the article.

Quote from: Glorious 60fps on January 29, 2019, 19:17:43

Quote from: tmp634 on January 29, 2019, 16:04:37
Disappointing. Turing offers little efficiency improvements over Pascal and the pricing is as bad as their desktop parts. Looking at the other reviews, the 2060 can't match the 1070 on average and yet 2060 laptops (and MXM cards) are priced about the same if not more expensive than even 1070 laptops (even when they launched 3 years ago). The 2070/2080 and especially Max-Q variants are even worse in value. Time Spy isn't going to be representative of gaming performance for most games in the near future. If you have a 10-series laptop, I'd say skip this gen and wait for the next architecture update when Ray Tracing tech becomes more mature. Nvidia is getting very greedy with pricing, and they're becoming like Intel on the CPU side: 5-10% improvement each gen and more expensive chips.

What a load of crap!! Rtx 2060 is about almost double more powerful than gtx 1060. And you say that it's only 5-10% improvement compared to last gen? Lols. Also rtx 2060 laptops are listed for the same price as gtx 1060 laptops.

As said before 2060 laptops are nowhere near 1060 laptop prices and it's not twice as fast as the 1060 laptop gpu either. If you read the benchmarks then the score of the 2060 mobile is on average 30% better than the 1060 mobile. For your interest double performance would mean 100% difference between the cards. So 30% performance increase from 1060 to 2060 let's see the prices now.

As stated above, cheapest rtx 2060 laptop is MSI GL63 for $1499

Now the cheapest gtx 1060 laptop at same retail is $809.99 Dell i7577

$1499-$809.99 is  689.01 US$ and (689.01/809.99)*100 = 85%

So you get 30% performance increase for 85% price increase. Are you really this delusional? How can you talk this much nonsense without considering not posting your bullshit? It's crazy how far a company can push their prices without any major performance increase and people can still defend this s***. Hope you were trolling, if not seek help.

Are you aware that those 1060 laptops launched at 1500$ plus, and they are bellow 900$ because they are on SALE  to introduce the new lineups...

uhh what? that 7577 in the previous comment equipped with 1060 launched at $899 for the i5 version and $999 for the i7 version, and that's including a 256GB NVMe SSD. on sale, they're sometimes $700 new in dell outlet. why is there so many nvidiots in the comments defending an obviously overpriced GPU launch. that's the worse thing consumers would want.

But you're not comparing the same laptop, the Dell 7577 is cheaper that the MSI, cause of the brand and other things. But if you check the price of the Razer Blade 15 with the 1070 Max-Q was 2600$ and the new Blade 15 with some improvement's and the 2060 (similar in performance with the 1070 Max-Q) is 2300$. The 2070 Max-Q is 2600$, so in terms of price it hasn´t changed much going from GTX to RTX, also if you want the best value wait for the 1160 or 1660 ti, or whatever is called.

Quote from: senso on January 30, 2019, 13:23:10

Quote from: tmp52 on January 29, 2019, 21:00:42

Quote from: Glorious 60fps on January 29, 2019, 19:14:48
Anyone who is saying it's so expensive without doing any research,should stop commenting bullshit. RTX 2060 laptops will be same price as gtx 1060 and much cheaper than gtx 1070 laptops. IGN just posted an article about rtx laptop prices. There's an rtx 2060 laptop for 899$ listed.
As for performance,did you guys even read the article? It clearly said rtx 2060 is a huge jump over it's predecessor and easily beats gtx 1070,almost on par with gtx 1080 laptop.

It's funny how you ask people to stop commenting bullshit when you do the same yourself. The IGN post you talk about lists a $899 PRE-BUILT DESKTOP 2060 at walmart

The cheapest 2060 laptop is the MSI GL63 for $1499

So it's actually same price as 1070 laptops or even higher, while being the same performance as the 1070 laptop version (read this post again)

"Almost on par with gtx 1080 laptop" Yeah sure buddy. The 1080 laptop = 2070 laptop and 1070 laptop = 2060 laptop, you didn't even read the article.

Quote from: Glorious 60fps on January 29, 2019, 19:17:43

Quote from: tmp634 on January 29, 2019, 16:04:37
Disappointing. Turing offers little efficiency improvements over Pascal and the pricing is as bad as their desktop parts. Looking at the other reviews, the 2060 can't match the 1070 on average and yet 2060 laptops (and MXM cards) are priced about the same if not more expensive than even 1070 laptops (even when they launched 3 years ago). The 2070/2080 and especially Max-Q variants are even worse in value. Time Spy isn't going to be representative of gaming performance for most games in the near future. If you have a 10-series laptop, I'd say skip this gen and wait for the next architecture update when Ray Tracing tech becomes more mature. Nvidia is getting very greedy with pricing, and they're becoming like Intel on the CPU side: 5-10% improvement each gen and more expensive chips.

What a load of crap!! Rtx 2060 is about almost double more powerful than gtx 1060. And you say that it's only 5-10% improvement compared to last gen? Lols. Also rtx 2060 laptops are listed for the same price as gtx 1060 laptops.

As said before 2060 laptops are nowhere near 1060 laptop prices and it's not twice as fast as the 1060 laptop gpu either. If you read the benchmarks then the score of the 2060 mobile is on average 30% better than the 1060 mobile. For your interest double performance would mean 100% difference between the cards. So 30% performance increase from 1060 to 2060 let's see the prices now.

As stated above, cheapest rtx 2060 laptop is MSI GL63 for $1499

Now the cheapest gtx 1060 laptop at same retail is $809.99 Dell i7577

$1499-$809.99 is  689.01 US$ and (689.01/809.99)*100 = 85%

So you get 30% performance increase for 85% price increase. Are you really this delusional? How can you talk this much nonsense without considering not posting your bullshit? It's crazy how far a company can push their prices without any major performance increase and people can still defend this s***. Hope you were trolling, if not seek help.

Are you aware that those 1060 laptops launched at 1500$ plus, and they are bellow 900$ because they are on SALE  to introduce the new lineups...

uhh what? that 7577 in the previous comment equipped with 1060 launched at $899 for the i5 version and $999 for the i7 version, and that's including a 256GB NVMe SSD. on sale, they're sometimes $700 new in dell outlet. why is there so many nvidiots in the comments defending an obviously overpriced GPU launch. that's the worse thing consumers would want.

i would like to see a comparison with desktop RTX GPUs to know how much are the laptop GPUs slower ?

Quote from: tmp52 on January 29, 2019, 21:00:42

Quote from: Glorious 60fps on January 29, 2019, 19:14:48
Anyone who is saying it's so expensive without doing any research,should stop commenting bullshit. RTX 2060 laptops will be same price as gtx 1060 and much cheaper than gtx 1070 laptops. IGN just posted an article about rtx laptop prices. There's an rtx 2060 laptop for 899$ listed.
As for performance,did you guys even read the article? It clearly said rtx 2060 is a huge jump over it's predecessor and easily beats gtx 1070,almost on par with gtx 1080 laptop.

It's funny how you ask people to stop commenting bullshit when you do the same yourself. The IGN post you talk about lists a $899 PRE-BUILT DESKTOP 2060 at walmart

The cheapest 2060 laptop is the MSI GL63 for $1499

So it's actually same price as 1070 laptops or even higher, while being the same performance as the 1070 laptop version (read this post again)

"Almost on par with gtx 1080 laptop" Yeah sure buddy. The 1080 laptop = 2070 laptop and 1070 laptop = 2060 laptop, you didn't even read the article.

Quote from: Glorious 60fps on January 29, 2019, 19:17:43

Quote from: tmp634 on January 29, 2019, 16:04:37
Disappointing. Turing offers little efficiency improvements over Pascal and the pricing is as bad as their desktop parts. Looking at the other reviews, the 2060 can't match the 1070 on average and yet 2060 laptops (and MXM cards) are priced about the same if not more expensive than even 1070 laptops (even when they launched 3 years ago). The 2070/2080 and especially Max-Q variants are even worse in value. Time Spy isn't going to be representative of gaming performance for most games in the near future. If you have a 10-series laptop, I'd say skip this gen and wait for the next architecture update when Ray Tracing tech becomes more mature. Nvidia is getting very greedy with pricing, and they're becoming like Intel on the CPU side: 5-10% improvement each gen and more expensive chips.

What a load of crap!! Rtx 2060 is about almost double more powerful than gtx 1060. And you say that it's only 5-10% improvement compared to last gen? Lols. Also rtx 2060 laptops are listed for the same price as gtx 1060 laptops.

As said before 2060 laptops are nowhere near 1060 laptop prices and it's not twice as fast as the 1060 laptop gpu either. If you read the benchmarks then the score of the 2060 mobile is on average 30% better than the 1060 mobile. For your interest double performance would mean 100% difference between the cards. So 30% performance increase from 1060 to 2060 let's see the prices now.

As stated above, cheapest rtx 2060 laptop is MSI GL63 for $1499

Now the cheapest gtx 1060 laptop at same retail is $809.99 Dell i7577

$1499-$809.99 is  689.01 US$ and (689.01/809.99)*100 = 85%

So you get 30% performance increase for 85% price increase. Are you really this delusional? How can you talk this much nonsense without considering not posting your bullshit? It's crazy how far a company can push their prices without any major performance increase and people can still defend this s***. Hope you were trolling, if not seek help.

Are you aware that those 1060 laptops launched at 1500$ plus, and they are bellow 900$ because they are on SALE  to introduce the new lineups...

Can we see some power usage comparisons between them all with the 10 and 20 series? Need to use same CPUs first though.

So you compared a laptop with RTX 2070, double channel RAM and a WAY better process to RTX 2070 MAX-Q, single channel RAM, and a worse processor?

I thought this site was supposed to be good.  This isn't even scientific.

Quote from: Glorious 60fps on January 29, 2019, 19:17:43

Quote from: tmp634 on January 29, 2019, 16:04:37
Disappointing. Turing offers little efficiency improvements over Pascal and the pricing is as bad as their desktop parts. Looking at the other reviews, the 2060 can't match the 1070 on average and yet 2060 laptops (and MXM cards) are priced about the same if not more expensive than even 1070 laptops (even when they launched 3 years ago). The 2070/2080 and especially Max-Q variants are even worse in value. Time Spy isn't going to be representative of gaming performance for most games in the near future. If you have a 10-series laptop, I'd say skip this gen and wait for the next architecture update when Ray Tracing tech becomes more mature. Nvidia is getting very greedy with pricing, and they're becoming like Intel on the CPU side: 5-10% improvement each gen and more expensive chips.

What a load of crap!! Rtx 2060 is about almost double more powerful than gtx 1060. And you say that it's only 5-10% improvement compared to last gen? Lols. Also rtx 2060 laptops are listed for the same price as gtx 1060 laptops.

Get real man, the 2060 is nowhere near double a 1060, unless you compare tasks specifically optimized for it like ray tracing and low level D3D APIs, which is pointless anyways. Looking at the frame rates in most games, it's only about 30-40% faster on average. Price wise, most 2060 laptops are in the $1500-1800 range. That's around the price that 1070 laptops launched at 3 years ago, and it can't even beat a 1070. If that's not disappointing to you, look at the past launches of corresponding mobile GPUs:

GTX 970M (2014) easily beats GTX 680M (2012) also much cheaper
GTX 1060 (2016) easily beats GTX 980M (2014) also much cheaper
RTX 2060 (2019) can't beat GTX 1070 (2016) and same price

The ~80W mobile GPUs could outperform the previous gen higher end/flagship models with ease and launched significantly cheaper. That's clearly not the case now and Nvidia is raising prices across the board with Turing.

Why not compare with the same processor??? Apples to oranges. 

Quote from: Glorious 60fps on January 29, 2019, 19:14:48
Anyone who is saying it's so expensive without doing any research,should stop commenting bullshit. RTX 2060 laptops will be same price as gtx 1060 and much cheaper than gtx 1070 laptops. IGN just posted an article about rtx laptop prices. There's an rtx 2060 laptop for 899$ listed.
As for performance,did you guys even read the article? It clearly said rtx 2060 is a huge jump over it's predecessor and easily beats gtx 1070,almost on par with gtx 1080 laptop.

It's funny how you ask people to stop commenting bullshit when you do the same yourself. The IGN post you talk about lists a $899 PRE-BUILT DESKTOP 2060 at walmart

The cheapest 2060 laptop is the MSI GL63 for $1499

So it's actually same price as 1070 laptops or even higher, while being the same performance as the 1070 laptop version (read this post again)

"Almost on par with gtx 1080 laptop" Yeah sure buddy. The 1080 laptop = 2070 laptop and 1070 laptop = 2060 laptop, you didn't even read the article.

Quote from: Glorious 60fps on January 29, 2019, 19:17:43

Quote from: tmp634 on January 29, 2019, 16:04:37
Disappointing. Turing offers little efficiency improvements over Pascal and the pricing is as bad as their desktop parts. Looking at the other reviews, the 2060 can't match the 1070 on average and yet 2060 laptops (and MXM cards) are priced about the same if not more expensive than even 1070 laptops (even when they launched 3 years ago). The 2070/2080 and especially Max-Q variants are even worse in value. Time Spy isn't going to be representative of gaming performance for most games in the near future. If you have a 10-series laptop, I'd say skip this gen and wait for the next architecture update when Ray Tracing tech becomes more mature. Nvidia is getting very greedy with pricing, and they're becoming like Intel on the CPU side: 5-10% improvement each gen and more expensive chips.

What a load of crap!! Rtx 2060 is about almost double more powerful than gtx 1060. And you say that it's only 5-10% improvement compared to last gen? Lols. Also rtx 2060 laptops are listed for the same price as gtx 1060 laptops.

As said before 2060 laptops are nowhere near 1060 laptop prices and it's not twice as fast as the 1060 laptop gpu either. If you read the benchmarks then the score of the 2060 mobile is on average 30% better than the 1060 mobile. For your interest double performance would mean 100% difference between the cards. So 30% performance increase from 1060 to 2060 let's see the prices now.

As stated above, cheapest rtx 2060 laptop is MSI GL63 for $1499

Now the cheapest gtx 1060 laptop at same retail is $809.99 Dell i7577

$1499-$809.99 is  689.01 US$ and (689.01/809.99)*100 = 85%

So you get 30% performance increase for 85% price increase. Are you really this delusional? How can you talk this much nonsense without considering not posting your bullshit? It's crazy how far a company can push their prices without any major performance increase and people can still defend this s***. Hope you were trolling, if not seek help.

Have you noticed the price of the Blade 15 with the RTX 2060, its the same as the Blade 15 with the GTX 1070 Max-Q, yet the performance is similar. So on reality the RTX 2070, 2080 and there Max-Q version arent worth it, though the 2060 is. After all a Blade 15 with 2070 Max-Q is 2600$ while the 2060 is 2300$.

Quote from: tmp634 on January 29, 2019, 16:04:37
Disappointing. Turing offers little efficiency improvements over Pascal and the pricing is as bad as their desktop parts. Looking at the other reviews, the 2060 can't match the 1070 on average and yet 2060 laptops (and MXM cards) are priced about the same if not more expensive than even 1070 laptops (even when they launched 3 years ago). The 2070/2080 and especially Max-Q variants are even worse in value. Time Spy isn't going to be representative of gaming performance for most games in the near future. If you have a 10-series laptop, I'd say skip this gen and wait for the next architecture update when Ray Tracing tech becomes more mature. Nvidia is getting very greedy with pricing, and they're becoming like Intel on the CPU side: 5-10% improvement each gen and more expensive chips.

What a load of crap!! Rtx 2060 is about almost double more powerful than gtx 1060. And you say that it's only 5-10% improvement compared to last gen? Lols. Also rtx 2060 laptops are listed for the same price as gtx 1060 laptops.